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How should I get GIB to cooperate?

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Posted 2022-October-13, 13:23



5 is explained as 5+ and strong rebiddable

No funny going down in 5, where 6 is making
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Posted 2022-October-13, 14:38

You could at least humour him with 5 rather than pass?
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Posted 2022-October-13, 15:14

View Postpescetom, on 2022-October-13, 14:38, said:

You could at least humour him with 5 rather than pass?

I assume the diagram was wrong and the dealer was South, not North, and it's the robot that passed 5. And that the robot actually had 13 cards (rather than the 12 shown).

I also expect 5 will probably be incomprehensible / undefined to the robot, regardless of what the description says.
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Posted 2022-October-13, 15:35

GIB's pass of 5 is known as a negative preference bid. This bid is a cornerstone of the 2 card major system.
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Posted 2022-October-13, 16:18

View Postsmerriman, on 2022-October-13, 15:14, said:

I assume the diagram was wrong and the dealer was South, not North, and it's the robot that passed 5. And that the robot actually had 13 cards (rather than the 12 shown).

I also expect 5 will probably be incomprehensible / undefined to the robot, regardless of what the description says.


Diagram fixed and 5 is defined (based on the explanation)
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Posted 2022-October-13, 16:47

As mentioned in the past, the fact it shows a description doesn't mean it's a defined bid. But it may be; will check this later.
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Posted 2022-October-13, 18:44

Well, basic GIB at a bidding table bids 5, so the book bid is correct.

Older GIB also has 5 as the book bid. When it attempts to simulate, it can't find a single hand that is remotely close to what it thinks South is showing, thus also makes the book bid of 5. That's mainly because it thinks to bid 5 of a minor you need a combined 29 points, and it has promised none, but 1 also had a maximum of 22, which is a contradiction. It merges those in the description to exactly 22 points, but clearly still can't understand it.

Who knows why your robot strayed from the book bid; maybe it found a single hand which it thought was close enough, and on that hand, 5 was fine. Or maybe it crashed while failing to simulate any hands, and ended up passing rather than making the book bid.
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Posted 2022-October-13, 18:53

The "pass" is merely the manifestation of a much greater problem. NOONE defines every possible sequence and the mere idea is poor at best. If GIB does not know what a bid means it should assume natural and do the best it can (like a gasp human). Stop letting GIB pass in 42 (OR WORSE) fits if it is at all possible to go to another place even if it is at a higher level.
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