[AL78]

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Your call?

[Cyberyeti]

Scoring ? Overcall style ?

This is an incredibly dangerous position to come in, E with the 19 count who was about to bid 4 might be about to redouble and catch you for a serious number opposite partner's 3424 pile. If I was going to enter this auction, I opened in 3rd seat.

[mw64ahw]

White vs Red I'd risk the X.

[AL78]

Cyberyeti, on 2022-September-25, 05:00, said:

Scoring ? Overcall style ?

This is an incredibly dangerous position to come in, E with the 19 count who was about to bid 4 might be about to redouble and catch you for a serious number opposite partner's 3424 pile. If I was going to enter this auction, I opened in 3rd seat.

Sorry, MPs. As to overcall style, if the length of the suit plus the number of honor cards in the suit (ten being classed as an honor) equals the number of tricks it is good enough to overcall. An exception is if the hand is strong in HCP and has trick taking potential outside the long suit, the suit can then be weaker.

[LBengtsson]

Your partner has passed twice, and he has heard you pass once, and if the opps. bid 4♥ then the trump split might break their contract given that you also have two aces. Even at this favorable vulnerability, I would pass. I do not see any advantage of X, and it might help declarer make his contract as he will now have an idea of the distribution.

[pescetom]

If anyone could double here it was your partner on his second call. Coming in now against decent opponents is just asking for trouble (and if they are hopeless you might push them into their making game).

[Douglas43]

The shape is tempting at pairs, but the two Aces and empty suits are more defensive than offensive.

[AL78]

I decided to pass based on the reasoning given here. Double could work brilliantly or dreadfully depending on the layout of the cards.

To anyone who would have risked a double, well done. Here is the full layout:

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My attempt to avoid rash/dangerous bidding rewarded us with three out of 16 MPs. The full traveller:

2♥ E 9 -140 (us)
4♥ E 9 100
4♠ S 8 -100
1NT W 10 -180
4♥ E 9 100
3♥ E 9 -140
3♦ N 7 -100
3♣ E 9 -110
3♣ E 9 -110

The only way we could get a decent score on this board is for us to find a way into the auction. 3♠ is makeable. Given the consensus suggestion for me to stay quiet, I'll put this one down to bad luck.

[pescetom]

AL78, on 2022-September-25, 11:47, said:

The only way we could get a decent score on this board is for us to find a way into the auction.

pescetom, on 2022-September-25, 08:44, said:

If anyone could double here it was your partner on his second call.

AL78, on 2022-September-25, 11:47, said:

Given the consensus suggestion for me to stay quiet, I'll put this one down to bad luck.

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[eagles123]

Guessing the 1S card was missing from partners bidding box

[AL78]

pescetom, on 2022-September-25, 12:38, said:

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In other words, there is nothing different I should have done. Overcalling 1♠ looks very borderline, I'm not sure I would have given the minimum HCP, anaemic suit and values in opener's suit, even with the favourable vulnerability. If I am wrong here I am open to persuasion otherwise.

[michel444]

3♦ showing 5+♦ and 4+♠ 5-6 loser
i think there are more loser..

[michel444]

seeing again the biding a weak 2♦ in third chair or 1♠ or 1 ♦ BEFORE 4 chair open

[Cyberyeti]

This is why you open in 3rd seat, 1♦-(1♥)-1♠ and you're in

[michel444]

AL78, on 2022-September-25, 11:47, said:

I decided to pass based on the reasoning given here. Double could work brilliantly or dreadfully depending on the layout of the cards.

To anyone who would have risked a double, well done. Here is the full layout:

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My attempt to avoid rash/dangerous bidding rewarded us with three out of 16 MPs. The full traveller:

2♥ E 9 -140 (us)
4♥ E 9 100
4♠ S 8 -100
1NT W 10 -180
4♥ E 9 100
3♥ E 9 -140
3♦ N 7 -100
3♣ E 9 -110
3♣ E 9 -110

The only way we could get a decent score on this board is for us to find a way into the auction. 3♠ is makeable. Given the consensus suggestion for me to stay quiet, I'll put this one down to bad luck.

an ekren opening !!!!!
south open 2♥ showing 4+♥ and 4+♠ less then NORMAL opening point count the original is 5- 10 point but 0-8 can do 2
you corect to 2 ♠ and east have nothing to say!!!

[pescetom]

AL78, on 2022-September-25, 12:56, said:

In other words, there is nothing different I should have done. Overcalling 1♠ looks very borderline, I'm not sure I would have given the minimum HCP, anaemic suit and values in opener's suit, even with the favourable vulnerability. If I am wrong here I am open to persuasion otherwise.

I think you are wrong to compliment anyone who would have risked a double in your place, wrong to conclude that it was bad luck and wrong to ignore the suggestion that it might be a mistake of your partner.
Otherwise you are right

[sfi]

I'm clearly on the lunatic fringe, but double looks completely normal to me. If I pass, the most likely thing is that they play a comfortable 2H for a poor score to us. Partner can have a reasonable hand with no good action over 1H, so it's on me to act with the shortage in hearts. Doubling is certainly not without risk, but we're likely to have a fit and we're never finding it if I pass here.

[mycroft]

I'm an OBAR BIDS [Opponents Bid and Raise, Balance in Direct Seat] player and I'd be worried about doubling here.

I also can't open that hand 1♦ in third. 1♠, though...

I'm not going to say that 1♠ by South is automatic, but the boss suit, that you're happy to be raised in (especially if they have a heart fit!), with enough heart cards that if they play NT a spade lead is probably your best shot on defence...

Having passed throughout, though, because I'm an OBAR BIDS player, as South, I'm letting them play 2♥ too. Partner, who almost certainly is short in hearts, in third seat white on red, and has had two opportunities to come in, thinks they should play 2-of-a-fit. I'll believe partner, and hope for -170, even with my trumps.

[Cyberyeti]

mycroft, on 2022-September-26, 13:22, said:

I'm an OBAR BIDS [Opponents Bid and Raise, Balance in Direct Seat] player and I'd be worried about doubling here.

I also can't open that hand 1♦ in third. 1♠, though...

I'm not going to say that 1♠ by South is automatic, but the boss suit, that you're happy to be raised in (especially if they have a heart fit!), with enough heart cards that if they play NT a spade lead is probably your best shot on defence...

Having passed throughout, though, because I'm an OBAR BIDS player, as South, I'm letting them play 2♥ too. Partner, who almost certainly is short in hearts, in third seat white on red, and has had two opportunities to come in, thinks they should play 2-of-a-fit. I'll believe partner, and hope for -170, even with my trumps.

We have to open the diamond precisely because with the overcalls we play we can't overcall 1♠ with the S hand, although we could overcall 2♠ but probably wouldn't, if it was KJ10xx, we would.

[Gilithin]

Third seat at green, I think you should have considered an opening but that ship has sailed. After an OBAR (opponents bid and raise) auction, it is nearly always right to come in with shortage and here you even have a maximum. Anything other than X from the North hand strikes me as a pretty extreme position. I doubt I would consider Pass a logical alternative if there was UI on the hand!