[jillybean]

Thank you, very good stuff. Now I need to convince the other half of the partnership.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

3H at least, 2H showes 6+, you have a fit.
Actually 4H is the value bid.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

jillybean, on 2022-March-24, 17:57, said:

Yes, this is how we would treat a 2542 type hand when partner does not want to bid NT (this may be the problem).

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2♦. xyz/4th suit, game forcing
2♣ xyz. If 2♣ was available, natural, we wouldn't chose it.
Pass ?
1nt - convince me why this is a good bid, I have few entries to partners hand, and have sympathy for the 2♥ bid.

Why is 2H, based on 5th 10, a better bid than 1NT, the undbid suit i protected.
There is golden bidding rule, that if someone rebids his suit it showed 6+, this
holds true for opener / responder. Now the rule has some exception, but it is a
general rule of thumb, and a good one.

[Bad_Wolf]

Pass is terrible. 3H is conservative, and what I might bid with a newish player. With a strong partner bid 4H.

It is important that 2H shows, in principle, a six bagger. Same with 1H-1S-2H. Too many hands become unbiddable, or at least very difficult otherwise.

[mikestar13]

I first learned the golden rule of bidding from Alan Truscott's books: "never rebid a five card suit, except in a forcing situation where alternatives are worse." So it might be reasonable to bid 1♠-2♥-2♠ with a five carder depending on your two-over one style, but 1♣-1♥-1♠-2♥ absolutely must be six cards. (Perhaps I'd make an exception with KQJTx depending on the rest of the hand, but usually not -- this can get you to game opposite a stiff.)

[thepossum]

Deleted sorry. I should read the whole thread first 🙂