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responding to partner's opening bid what do you do with an 8 card suit

#1 User is offline   bluehi 

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Posted 2005-June-03, 17:26

Partner opened with 1 daimond and had a 4 card heart suit

I had good 8 card club suit with 2 H's 2Sp's and 1 dai
I opened eith 4 clubs, partner thinks you can not preempt his open bid

what should I have done??
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Posted 2005-June-03, 19:28

bluehi, on Jun 4 2005, 12:26 PM, said:

Partner opened with 1 daimond and had a 4 card heart suit

I had good 8 card club suit with 2 H's  2Sp's and 1 dai
I opened eith 4 clubs, partner thinks you can not preempt his open bid

what should I have done??
thank you all for bring here for us.
mary/bluehi

I guess you mean that you responded 4?

Without seeing the specific hands -- and the vul I suppose you could have responded 2 but IMHO partner is incorrect saying you can't jump to 4 :D in fact you might have considered 5 :D
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Posted 2005-June-04, 20:47

certainly if you had Ax Kx x AKJxxxxx 4 is not the proper bid.
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Posted 2005-June-04, 20:56

How about responding 3NT?....make opponents guess which major suit partner is weak in (if any). Partner could be 4-4-3-2, but is likely 4-3-4-2 or 3-4-4-2. And if the club suit is runnable, then you would only need one trick from partner.
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Posted 2005-June-04, 21:26

he is correct, 4C is not a preempt over a 1D opener, it is a splinter. I think the ability to preempt over partners opener is silly, but some players play 1m p 2M is preemptive.
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Posted 2005-June-05, 12:29

Jlall, on Jun 4 2005, 11:26 PM, said:

he is correct, 4C is not a preempt over a 1D opener, it is a splinter. I think the ability to preempt over partners opener is silly, but some players play 1m p 2M is preemptive.

Here here! I personally have a great dislike for weak jump-shifts. 4 is out anyway.

It depends a great deal on the quality of the club suit and whether you held any cards in the majors I think. 3NT, 5 are both possibilites, but unless you play 2 as non-forcing over 1 I would likely just bid that and walk the dog a bit. The opponents might compete in the majors, so be it.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy - but it might improve my bridge.
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Posted 2005-June-05, 17:14

Today some friends of mine had these auction:

1-ps-5-ps
???

AQ10x
xx
KJxx
Qxx

the opener sadly had exactly 3 and didn't guess, finishing with -300 :P
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Posted 2005-June-05, 17:54

Jlall, on Jun 5 2005, 04:26 AM, said:

he is correct, 4C is not a preempt over a 1D opener, it is a splinter. I think the ability to preempt over partners opener is silly, but some players play 1m p 2M is preemptive.

I love WJS - I play them as constructive (4-7, 5-8 or so), now bidding and rebidding your major is invitational, and jump rebidding it is GF. It leaves you with nasty guesses on some hands (eg 46 responding to 1m) but makes up for it when you play 2 tick on an invitational auction when the field is split between 3, 4 and 3N.
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Posted 2005-June-06, 01:43

Hi,

assuming you play a standard system,
answer 1 NT or 2C depending on the strength
of your hand, intending to (re-)bid clubs later.

Bidding 4C / 5C is not really an option
4C is normally defined as splinter
5C is ???, one possible meaning could Exclusion
Key Card Blackwood

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: I would not worry to much about this hand, hands with
an 8 card suit and with partner opening the bidding are not
that much common enough.
Close you eyes, make a bid, go on.
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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