[whereagles]

If this is the auction

1♦.....1♥.....2♣.....3♥
3♠...pass...5♣...pass

then I think I pass.

[Echognome]

I would argue that your 3♠ bid already showed partner a good hand for clubs. I don't think you would bid spades on a misfitting hand. Thus partner should have taken this into account when bidding 5♣. Also partner will value holdings such as Qxx in spades on this auction and you may already be high enough.

[pigpenz]

partner coud cue bid hearts over three spades didnt...so i am passing....partner needs solid clubs.

[mike777]

Yikes it has been a long time since old Goren red book precision.
Pass

I would have passed over 3H and assume P could have bid 4h or 4nt over my 3s if they want aces.

[Winstonm]

I read and adopted many years ago that one should try to invision the pefect MINIMUM hand consistent with pard's bidding, and if this minimum perfect hand produced a lay-down slam then your hand was worth a slam try.

With this as a yardstick, I can see x, Axx, xx, KQJ10xxx as a perfect minimum for this bidding - trouble is, I'm too high to make any "try".

Credit the opps for putting me in a tough spot and for us not knowing exactly what this sequence implies verses 4C or a 4H cue bid.

I like best what Mike Lawrence said in his book about Team Games: (I paraphrase) When you run out of intelligent ways to investigate a higher contract, the best thing to do is stop and not stretch. Pard may well have the perfect hand - but he may well not. On this auction, he may hold: KQ, xxx, xx, KQJ10xx.

Too bad I can't find this out - but if I can't, then I pass.

WinstonM

[Antoine Fourrière]

I would try 6♣. I could have longer diamonds and less useful spades. It is true that partner may or may not have deduced my singleton heart from the bidding, but he has three hearts if he did. so I have more than I have shown for a contract in clubs. It is 7♣ which needs a magical holding.

[Double !]

I disagree with the 3♠ bid, especially if the partnership is unestablished. I would have passed over 3♥. This gives partner more room to show his/her hand. P might have bid 3♠/ 3♥. The bidding for the partnership went too fast. Pass 5♣.

[pclayton]

6C. Pard very well could be petrified to bid 6 but you are All prime and have the heart control.

Somehow 7 solid and out sounds like a 4C call yet if pard has a 3rd heart 6 rolls even with AK - 7th. And either pointed cArd and 6 should be cold. Last - if pard has. AQ the hook rates to work.

Sometimes at the table we tend to think 'well I really stretched to bid 3S, so I'll pull back a notch' That's the wrong approach on a hand like this.

Also, what your tendencies with 5S'S and 6 D's? If you open 1D with this, then a 6C makes even more sense as pard might be bidding into a 5161.

Last - I'm trusting my expert opponents to keep bidding with 11 trump.

[bearmum]

whereagles, on Jun 1 2005, 05:38 AM, said:

If this is the auction

1♦.....1♥.....2♣.....3♥
3♠...pass...5♣...pass

then I think I pass.

I too pass on that auction --- you have a MAX of 15 points playing Precision, and P knows that

[flytoox]

Winstonm, on Jun 1 2005, 12:19 AM, said:

I read and adopted many years ago that one should try to invision the pefect MINIMUM hand consistent with pard's bidding, and if this minimum perfect hand produced a lay-down slam then your hand was worth a slam try.

With this as a yardstick, I can see x, Axx, xx, KQJ10xxx as a perfect minimum for this bidding - trouble is, I'm too high to make any "try".

Credit the opps for putting me in a tough spot and for us not knowing exactly what this sequence implies verses 4C or a 4H cue bid.

I like best what Mike Lawrence said in his book about Team Games: (I paraphrase) When you run out of intelligent ways to investigate a higher contract, the best thing to do is stop and not stretch. Pard may well have the perfect hand - but he may well not. On this auction, he may hold: KQ, xxx, xx, KQJ10xx.

Too bad I can't find this out - but if I can't, then I pass.

WinstonM

You said it.

[Free]

pass

[Gerben42]

Yep I pass. What has that to do with Goren?

Point is: 3♠ must be bid on ♣ tolerance. For that I have nothing more partner needs to know.

6♣ would be the same hand + ♣K

[reisig]

There was no way for partner to make a try over 3♠..except 4♥ and that bid is impossible with xx or xxx. I agree that 3♠ would not be my choice ...I'd prefer 4♣ if anything...then we have more cooperation chances since 3♠ may have been 4(5)♠ and 6♦. I'd bid 6♣...I don't have to play it! Partner with most any hand with AKJxxxx has a shot..even AQJxxxxx (8) and 2-3♥ is a clear winner.
Bid it fast ..they'll save anyway.

[Walddk]

reisig, on Jun 1 2005, 08:11 AM, said:

Bid it fast ..they'll save anyway.

Yes, when it's right, and they won't if it's wrong. Welcome to the union of the VUBPW. I am a life time president, but we could do with a treasurer to count the non existent $. Just a job for you Richie

Roland

[mike777]

Gerben42, on Jun 1 2005, 08:08 AM, said:

Yep I pass. What has that to do with Goren?

Goren wrote the Precision book with CC Wei around 1971 that turned America and us new College boys onto strong club biddding and Precision. Altman, Weischel and all the young long hair hippie boys winning helped to.

In those days there were no Blue team books or others to buy.

Some of us are still waiting 20+ years later to buy that Meckwell book.

[luke warm]

6♣ for the reasons phil stated

[reisig]

Justin is usually brave....but a chicken here:)))