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Where did we go wrong? Slam bidding disaster.
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Posted 2005-June-02, 11:14
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
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Posted 2005-June-02, 11:21
1H-fine.
1S-fine
3H-fine
3S-mmm I dunno this should be natural and forcing and suggest a longer spade suit probably. I think I would just bid 4C cue for hearts, hoping pard can eventually bid keycard and then 5N. Perhaps this is too committal. (NOTE: this is why rebidding 3H on ATxxxx is clearly wrong, re other post).
4H-I like this bid. AKQ9xxx is nice, I wouldn't raise to 4S over 3S or bid 4 of some minor which is ambiguous (cue for spades?)
5H-????? The only clearly bad bid of the auction. Here partner has rebid hearts AGAIN. He obviously has an exceptional suit. I don't understand where these 5H "trump ask" bids come from when keycard is available. keycard would accomplish the same thing. Now... if south bids 4N (he would have liked partner to take control but its unavoidable now) north bids 5S, south bids 5N. Here it's sort of tough. If north can bank on south having the AK of spades, he has an easy 7N bid. But what will south have for a keycard bid (and a 3S bid) if not the AK of spades? Why yes, the AK of clubs. Now you are still cold. So north can just bid 7N over 5N.
pass- Who knows what 5H is. But maybe north can work it out and bid 6 because what else could south be trying to do. But north was confused.
1S-fine
3H-fine
3S-mmm I dunno this should be natural and forcing and suggest a longer spade suit probably. I think I would just bid 4C cue for hearts, hoping pard can eventually bid keycard and then 5N. Perhaps this is too committal. (NOTE: this is why rebidding 3H on ATxxxx is clearly wrong, re other post).
4H-I like this bid. AKQ9xxx is nice, I wouldn't raise to 4S over 3S or bid 4 of some minor which is ambiguous (cue for spades?)
5H-????? The only clearly bad bid of the auction. Here partner has rebid hearts AGAIN. He obviously has an exceptional suit. I don't understand where these 5H "trump ask" bids come from when keycard is available. keycard would accomplish the same thing. Now... if south bids 4N (he would have liked partner to take control but its unavoidable now) north bids 5S, south bids 5N. Here it's sort of tough. If north can bank on south having the AK of spades, he has an easy 7N bid. But what will south have for a keycard bid (and a 3S bid) if not the AK of spades? Why yes, the AK of clubs. Now you are still cold. So north can just bid 7N over 5N.
pass- Who knows what 5H is. But maybe north can work it out and bid 6 because what else could south be trying to do. But north was confused.
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Posted 2005-June-02, 11:24
How about RKCB after 4H? Then you know you have all keys so you add 7 hearts + 2 spades + 2 aces = 11 tricks. Then ruff a spade or two and you're all set for 13 tricks.
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Posted 2005-June-02, 11:30
4♣, cue bid for hearts. 3♥ shows a strong suit as I play it, and if in doubt, look at your own hand and you may have an idea about where your partner's high cards are.
4♣ should not be natural, or G, or whatever. You cue bid opposite a strong 1-suited hand. The alternatives are 3♠, and with different hands 3NT... and 4♥ even with a singleton.
Roland
4♣ should not be natural, or G, or whatever. You cue bid opposite a strong 1-suited hand. The alternatives are 3♠, and with different hands 3NT... and 4♥ even with a singleton.
Roland
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Posted 2005-June-02, 12:01
Treatment option: Perhaps in this sequence 5H should be slam force and asking solidity for Grand Slam?
Take these suits: AKJ109x - 3H followed by something other than 4H
AKJ109xx - 3H followed by 4H
AKQJ9x - ditto
AKQ9xxx - ditto
Keycard, as valuable as it is, cannot tell you all this, can it?
WinstonM
Take these suits: AKJ109x - 3H followed by something other than 4H
AKJ109xx - 3H followed by 4H
AKQJ9x - ditto
AKQ9xxx - ditto
Keycard, as valuable as it is, cannot tell you all this, can it?
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Posted 2005-June-02, 12:08
Jlall, on Jun 2 2005, 12:21 PM, said:
1H-fine.
1S-fine
3H-fine
3S-mmm I dunno this should be natural and forcing and suggest a longer spade suit probably. I think I would just bid 4C cue for hearts, hoping pard can eventually bid keycard and then 5N. Perhaps this is too committal. (NOTE: this is why rebidding 3H on ATxxxx is clearly wrong, re other post).
4H-I like this bid. AKQ9xxx is nice, I wouldn't raise to 4S over 3S or bid 4 of some minor which is ambiguous (cue for spades?)
5H-????? The only clearly bad bid of the auction. Here partner has rebid hearts AGAIN. He obviously has an exceptional suit. I don't understand where these 5H "trump ask" bids come from when keycard is available. keycard would accomplish the same thing. Now... if south bids 4N (he would have liked partner to take control but its unavoidable now) north bids 5S, south bids 5N. Here it's sort of tough. If north can bank on south having the AK of spades, he has an easy 7N bid. But what will south have for a keycard bid (and a 3S bid) if not the AK of spades? Why yes, the AK of clubs. Now you are still cold. So north can just bid 7N over 5N.
pass- Who knows what 5H is. But maybe north can work it out and bid 6 because what else could south be trying to do. But north was confused.
1S-fine
3H-fine
3S-mmm I dunno this should be natural and forcing and suggest a longer spade suit probably. I think I would just bid 4C cue for hearts, hoping pard can eventually bid keycard and then 5N. Perhaps this is too committal. (NOTE: this is why rebidding 3H on ATxxxx is clearly wrong, re other post).
4H-I like this bid. AKQ9xxx is nice, I wouldn't raise to 4S over 3S or bid 4 of some minor which is ambiguous (cue for spades?)
5H-????? The only clearly bad bid of the auction. Here partner has rebid hearts AGAIN. He obviously has an exceptional suit. I don't understand where these 5H "trump ask" bids come from when keycard is available. keycard would accomplish the same thing. Now... if south bids 4N (he would have liked partner to take control but its unavoidable now) north bids 5S, south bids 5N. Here it's sort of tough. If north can bank on south having the AK of spades, he has an easy 7N bid. But what will south have for a keycard bid (and a 3S bid) if not the AK of spades? Why yes, the AK of clubs. Now you are still cold. So north can just bid 7N over 5N.
pass- Who knows what 5H is. But maybe north can work it out and bid 6 because what else could south be trying to do. But north was confused.
agree with Justin
Senshu
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Posted 2005-June-02, 12:53
keycard can tell you about the AKQ of trumps. True it cannot tell you whether pard has 6 or 7 unless you try for a grand (then pard may bid 7 on his own based on an extra trick), however it is a very strong assumption that pard has 7 hearts based on prior bidding... why?
well with 3 spades he would have raised to 4S. So he has <2 spades.
With 6 hearts if both minors are stopped he would always bid 3N.
With 6 hearts and 1 minor unstopped and 2 spades, he would probably raise to 4S unless his hearts were solid.
With 6-4 and unsolid hearts he would probably bid 2 of his minor first.
so he would need a specific hand type such as:
A ) 1633 with no stopper in one minor.
B ) 26(32) with solid hearts and no stopper in one minor.
C ) a 6-4 hand unsuitable to bid 2m then 3H and no stopper in other minor. Rare in my style.
Given our great strength that makes it more unlikely partner has NO VALUES in one minor giving him no stopper. He must have something. So you can be pretty confident he has 7 hearts.
well with 3 spades he would have raised to 4S. So he has <2 spades.
With 6 hearts if both minors are stopped he would always bid 3N.
With 6 hearts and 1 minor unstopped and 2 spades, he would probably raise to 4S unless his hearts were solid.
With 6-4 and unsolid hearts he would probably bid 2 of his minor first.
so he would need a specific hand type such as:
A ) 1633 with no stopper in one minor.
B ) 26(32) with solid hearts and no stopper in one minor.
C ) a 6-4 hand unsuitable to bid 2m then 3H and no stopper in other minor. Rare in my style.
Given our great strength that makes it more unlikely partner has NO VALUES in one minor giving him no stopper. He must have something. So you can be pretty confident he has 7 hearts.
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Posted 2005-June-02, 20:36
If you could change their 3♠ and 5♥ into 3NT and 4NT,the grand slam would be available.
Is it?
Is it?
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Posted 2005-June-02, 21:33
Obviously 5♥ is wrong, but also 4♥ seems so since 3♠ is probably a 6 card suit, or a 5 card suit as good as the one it is, and a cue with ♠ fit is in order. You can hardly have better suport than Hx.
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The bidding (If it can be called such, LoL)
1H-1S-3H-3S-4H-5H-P
Who got lost here, north or south. 3H shows a good suit; 4H extra length. Secondly, how do you get to 7H/S/NT?
Thanks in advance.