[plaur]

Scoring: XIMP

pass - 2♥ - ??

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From todays BIL. What to bid here ?

[hotShot]

If you do not have a better agreement with your partner, bid 3NT.
You should be able to stop ♥ twice, stop all other suits and partner is very likely to hold 5 HCP with a length other than ♥.

[Walddk]

Double. Any 18+ hand is good enough to double regardless of shape. This hand is too strong for a direct 2NT overcall (15-18). If you have Lebensohl on your cc you will even get the chance to learn if partner has a constructive hand or not.

But Lebensohl is not the topic here. Another time.

Roland

[Double !]

another vote for double
but also, think about the various rebids you might want to make other than 3NT should partner show some life over there. For example, if partner responds at the 3-level, have you discussed what 3NT and what 4NT by you would mean then?

[hrothgar]

Clear double

[cherdano]

I would X, then 3NT, just as everybody else, but I think the interesting question is: What is the difference between X, then 3NT and a direct 3NT? I would expect X then 3NT to be based on hcp, and a direct 3NT on tricks (running minor).

Arend

[luke warm]

double, yes, but what over 4♠, 5♣, or 5♦?

[plaur]

Was an individual BIL tourney so no agreements, lebensohl not on.

I bid 3NT at the table (after thinking so long they started asking if I was there :-)) I thought I had two options: 3NT or X followed by 3NT. Since p is a passed hand the risk of missing a slam is lesser and I dont see any way to stop under 3NT anyway.
- If p has a wery weak hand with 6 spades, not able to open 2S she will bid 4S.
- If p has enough to bid bid 3S after X she will bid over 3NT.
- If p bids 2S over X I still have to bid 3NT, right ?
- P will not make a penalty pass with my H holding.
- If p was not passed I would X.

Still a clear majority for X. Why am I thinking wrong ?

[Walddk]

plaur, on May 1 2005, 01:58 AM, said:

- If p has a wery weak hand with 6 spades, not able to open 2S she will bid 4S.
- If p has enough to bid bid 3S after X she will bid over 3NT.
- If p bids 2S over X I still have to bid 3NT, right ?

- Partner should not pull over a direct 3NT even with 6 spades. My 3NT could be

A
Kx
AKQxxxx
Jxx

- Even less so if she is balanced or semi-balanced.

- 2NT is enough after my double and her 2♠ response. Shows 19-21 in my book.

Over 3mi I shall have to gamble on 3NT. Would be easier if 3♣/♦ had been Lebensohl. The worst scenario is a 2NT response (Lebensohl). I will now break the transfer (3♣) and punt 3NT. No guarantee of success though.

You don't always have a safety net when opps pre-empt. That is what pre-empts are for: Make it more difficult for the opponents if it's their hand.

Roland

[EricK]

plaur, on May 1 2005, 06:58 AM, said:

Was an individual BIL tourney so no agreements, lebensohl not on.

I bid 3NT at the table (after thinking so long they started asking if I was there :-)) I thought I had two options: 3NT or X followed by 3NT. Since p is a passed hand the risk of missing a slam is lesser and I dont see any way to stop under 3NT anyway.
- If p has a wery weak hand with 6 spades, not able to open 2S she will bid 4S.
- If p has enough to bid bid 3S after X she will bid over 3NT.
- If p bids 2S over X I still have to bid 3NT, right ?
- P will not make a penalty pass with my H holding.
- If p was not passed I would X.

Still a clear majority for X. Why am I thinking wrong ?

I don't think your thinking is "wrong".

It is just that many pairs want to differentiate between two sorts of 3NT hand

1. Balanced hand with a lot of HCP (X then 3NT)
2. Running suit and stops outside (Direct 3NT)

Eric

[whereagles]

Clear 3NT to me. I don't complicate what is simple, and simplicity is worth millions after a pree