Whats he after.
#21
Posted 2018-March-27, 02:28
So what is it? It’s not particularly a strong Club/precision issue now and my Bridge is far too rusty to offer much more on such elegant sequences. I’d reflect closely on what partner did and didn’t bid and then ask Sherlock Holmes! Super question thank you
PS: Reflecting on this now Phil as I read it you have shown 16+, shown a hand dominated by your H suit, you have the Ace Diamonds and two other, and you have shown the QH (but he doesn’t know you have the KH)
On the basis of that partner has happily driven to 6S and offers you to move if you are sure. That and the silence from opponents suggests that partner has a similar hand in Spades that you have in Hearts
If I’ve read all that right then on a good day you can make ~13NT, but if we have majors holes everything looks very iffy, and much will depend on entries. He might only have one Club entry, nothing in Diamonds, a Heart ruff and just the one spade. And although your hand is strong after a Diamond lead you are down to just a club entry.
If I’ve read this right I pass and hope for reasonable splits
#22
Posted 2018-March-27, 02:36
#23
Posted 2018-March-27, 13:50
mikeh, on 2018-March-26, 15:28, said:
Here, he did not keycard over 3♥ but did once we cuebid diamonds. Ask yourself what this tells you.
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#24
Posted 2018-March-27, 13:59
gszes, on 2018-March-27, 13:50, said:
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READ THE NOTES THE OP PUT IN "4S is 0314".
#25
Posted 2018-March-27, 17:52
Pretend like we started:
1H - 1S
3H - 4C
etc..
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#26
Posted 2018-March-27, 18:07
Standard spot. Partner is making a last train. He can count 12 tricks in 6NT opposite our heart queen (haha) and is looking for an extras heart or the spade queen, neither or which we have. We could accept with AKxxxxxx AKQxxxx or the spade queen.
#27
Posted 2018-March-27, 19:58
PhilKing, on 2018-March-27, 18:07, said:
On reflection, PhilKing's argument seems reasonable.
#28
Posted 2018-March-27, 22:19
Cyberyeti, on 2018-March-27, 13:59, said:
Whale spit was that there the whole time??? If so I need to seriously consider taking up a remedial reading course. Sorry for interrupting this diatribe with my nonsense. Maybe I will work up the courage to look at this problem tomorrow and see
if I can make sense of the bidding once 4s is key card.
#29
Posted 2018-March-28, 00:04
PhilKing, on 2018-March-27, 18:07, said:
Standard spot. Partner is making a last train. He can count 12 tricks in 6NT opposite our heart queen (haha) and is looking for an extras heart or the spade queen, neither or which we have. We could accept with AKxxxxxx AKQxxxx or the spade queen.
That's all logical...but a likely hand for that would be something like AKxxx xx xxx KQx. I.e., a 2 or 7 hand in NT. (Diamond lead seems likely on this auction.)
Might as well bid 7H to get the grand bonus when hearts split, and to save 3-4 undertricks when they don't.
#31
Posted 2018-March-28, 03:41
cherdano, on 2018-March-28, 00:04, said:
Might as well bid 7H to get the grand bonus when hearts split, and to save 3-4 undertricks when they don't.
Why can't he have the diamond queen?
#32
Posted 2018-March-28, 06:23
nige1, on 2018-March-27, 19:58, said:
Same here and this was the point of the exercise.
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#33
Posted 2018-March-28, 06:37
PhilKing, on 2018-March-28, 03:41, said:
Of course he could but even then - 6NT wins when hearts don't split and diamond king is offside, and 7H wins when hearts split. Not as huge a loss in IMPs expectancy as playing 6N without Diamond queen.
#34
Posted 2018-March-28, 07:43
cherdano, on 2018-March-28, 06:37, said:
Anyway, I don't really buy the argument than partner has no diamond control (with no diamond ace and no heart honour, partner needed a cue from us). There are other hands where we just belong on 6NT. And 4♦ was not doubled, so we are not getting a diamond lead even close to all the time when that is the killer.
#35
Posted 2018-March-28, 07:48
PhilKing, on 2018-March-27, 18:07, said:
Why bid 6♥ over 5♦ with a trump suit 1+ trick better than ♥AKQxxx? Because 5N isn't available?
#36
Posted 2018-March-28, 07:57
nullve, on 2018-March-28, 07:48, said:
Why bid 6♥ over 5♦ with a trump suit 1+ trick better than ♥AKQxxx? Because 5N isn't available?
On reflection I think partner is looking for a doubleton spade, so that we can ruff out the spade for the 13th trick. But whatever he is after I don't have it. I don't want to be in a grand on 4-3 spades and a heart break. It's a sign off regardless.
Personally, I like the 6♥ bid (I think it should be defined as a punt with a seventh heart) and would bid 5NT with the heart queen no king.
#37
Posted 2018-March-28, 10:58
I love this hand.
I like PhilK's idea of bidding 6N here, but disagree with his notion that partner is looking for a doubleton spade so as to play 7H, ruffing the spade good, unless we credit partner with both excellent visualization and huge respect for our visualization.
I think we can safely infer that he lacks the diamond K, since he waited for us to cue diamonds before using keycard.
The best I can give him, assuming he lacks a 6th spade (a safe bet given the 2N bid) is something like AKxxx Jx QJx KQx.
He might have the spade J but that adds only a modest amount to the chances in grand.
He is presumably going to play us for 2=6=2=3 or 2=6=3=2.
If we have the latter, xx AKQxxx Axx Ax, then grand is not very good, because we are often unable to establish spades and then get back to dummy to enjoy the last spade.
If we have xx AKQxxx Ax Axx, that problem disappears...we have an extra club entry.
Thus, if he is inviting the grand when we have a doubleton spade, we have to assume that he has visualized our likely hands and the likely play on those hands. He should only invite the grand if he trusts us to see his thinking and to realize that we need Ax Axx in the minors (or A Axxx).
I don't play with players who both think that deeply and reasonably think that I think that deeply
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#38
Posted 2018-March-28, 11:50
PhilKing, on 2018-March-28, 07:57, said:
Interesting. I have always assumed 6H = HQ but nothing else, and 5N = HQ plus other feature I can't show below 6H otherwise (here probably SQ, or extra trump length).
#39
Posted 2018-March-28, 16:33
1s positive response and GF in our short club system (I hope, where did I hide those system notes grrrr?)
2h well great there goes the 2 level and I cant bid 2s plus these kings might need protecting so I trot out
2n this accurately describes my distribution and stoppers but there is so much more we need to learn and opener bids
3h well of course there goes the 3 level and ANY hope I have of easily finding the spade K ---- unless
4c if opener cant bid 4d a grand is no longer possible so lets see what happens and if p does bid 4d we have a cute 4s key card we can use for extra safety
4d OK ok grand is still possible 5 minor suit tricks 4/5 spades both minors double stopped so lets look for the grand
4s 0314 RKC
5c 1 or 4 that is GREAT but our problems are not over if p has xx AKQxxx Axx Axx we can still only count 12 tricks unless we want to bid 7 banking on the spade finesse (ughh)
5d lets find out about the heart Q first
6h heart Q no extra stuff to report and presumably no extra length since 5n was available. Opener does NOT have the spade K. 6n is certainly viable 4s 3h 5 C/D
6s SURELY p will realize they have already denied something good in spades and this is only asking for extra heart length to bid a grand what happens next is the whole purpose of the exercise and I would end up bidding
6n no extra length and I hope I figured this out.
Kind of odd that I arrived at 6n with 4s = key card and 4s = cue bid (see my useless earlier interpretations if u need a good laugh).
#40
Posted 2018-March-28, 17:11