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AQ84
Q986
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10 AK83
932 ---
A105 KJ32
1089532 AKQKJ9
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The above hand was Board 3, Segment 1 of the Quarter Finals of the USBC in Denver, CO.
The contract was 6 clubs by West.
Opening lead: Ace of Hearts
When the opening lead was tabled, John Hurd, West claimed 13 tricks.
How could he see 13 tricks? Did it depend on a successful finesse in diamonds.
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PS How do I insert hand diagrams into a post?
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Claim of 13 Tricks after opening lead How could John Hurd see 13 tricks?
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Posted 2016-May-11, 07:45
Hello Frager, you can insert hand diagrams by using the Hand Editor symbol (black spade on a white background with red side bars) from the post editor. In the actual hand, declarer can discard a diamond on ♠K and has enough trumps to ruff everything so no finesse is required.
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Posted 2016-May-11, 07:47
If I read this correctly (not easy), the diamond loser goes on the ace/king of spades
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Posted 2016-May-11, 07:59
Yes, there are only 2 trumps out, he can draw them in 2 rounds if necessary, ruff 3 hearts in dummy and ♦AK ♠AK take care of his 4 diamonds, so he has his 6 trumps, 3 heart ruffs and 2 AKs.
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Thanks to all who replied.
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Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.
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Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
str-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
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Posted 2016-May-11, 13:53
1eyedjack, on 2016-May-11, 10:22, said:
I think there is something in the Laws about when declarer makes a claim without
a statement of play. I think the defenders should challenge and call the TD
"It is not enough to be a good player, you must also play well"
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Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)
"Any palooka can take tricks with Aces and Kings; the true expert shows his prowess
by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog
- Dr Tarrasch(1862-1934)German Chess Grandmaster
Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)
"Any palooka can take tricks with Aces and Kings; the true expert shows his prowess
by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog
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Posted 2016-May-11, 14:27
PhilG007, on 2016-May-11, 13:53, said:
I think there is something in the Laws about when declarer makes a claim without
a statement of play. I think the defenders should challenge and call the TD
a statement of play. I think the defenders should challenge and call the TD
LOL. For 1 thing, this was on vugraph so the exact claim is almost never described. Depending on the operator and how easy it is to see player's bids and plays, bids and plays may not even be recorded properly. 2nd, depending on who's playing who, claims can be pretty informal and nobody at the table would contest unless there was a serious problem in the number of tricks. I can't imagine an expert defender doing anything except picking up their cards and going on to the next board.
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Posted 2016-May-11, 15:31
PhilG007, on 2016-May-11, 13:53, said:
I think there is something in the Laws about when declarer makes a claim without
a statement of play. I think the defenders should challenge and call the TD
a statement of play. I think the defenders should challenge and call the TD
I would love to know the basis of the challenge.
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Posted 2016-May-11, 16:40
He has a 2-way finesse position he might go for? Seriously though, I'm claiming as soon as I take out the trumps (I could claim at trick 1, but I'd rather avoid the "but I still have a trump" whines).
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Posted 2016-May-11, 16:56
manudude03, on 2016-May-11, 16:40, said:
He has a 2-way finesse position he might go for? Seriously though, I'm claiming as soon as I take out the trumps (I could claim at trick 1, but I'd rather avoid the "but I still have a trump" whines).
Yeah, I had that recently. I led a trump towards Qx in dummy and claimed when no one had 10xxxx. The opponents were adamant -- we had to ring up a referee!
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Posted 2016-May-12, 00:45
manudude03, on 2016-May-11, 16:40, said:
He has a 2-way finesse position he might go for? Seriously though, I'm claiming as soon as I take out the trumps (I could claim at trick 1, but I'd rather avoid the "but I still have a trump" whines).
If you are a believer in the old adage of "the queen lying over the jack" then the two way
finesse has become one way and you shouldn't have any further problems.
"It is not enough to be a good player, you must also play well"
- Dr Tarrasch(1862-1934)German Chess Grandmaster
Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)
"Any palooka can take tricks with Aces and Kings; the true expert shows his prowess
by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog
- Dr Tarrasch(1862-1934)German Chess Grandmaster
Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)
"Any palooka can take tricks with Aces and Kings; the true expert shows his prowess
by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog
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Posted 2016-May-12, 01:01
PhilG007, on 2016-May-12, 00:45, said:
If you are a believer in the old adage of "the queen lying over the jack" then the two way
finesse has become one way and you shouldn't have any further problems.
finesse has become one way and you shouldn't have any further problems.
I think that they have probably got beyond bad shuffling and dealing by hand in the Quarter Finals of the USBC in Denver!
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Tramticket, on 2016-May-12, 01:01, said:
I think that they have probably got beyond bad shuffling and dealing by hand in the Quarter Finals of the USBC in Denver!
You are right, of course, but have you played in the USA? You might be surprised at how much dealing by hand is done in all stages of the major, and minor, team tournaments.
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looks perfectly OK to me. He can draw trumps in 1-2 rounds and still ruff 2 more hearts. He has plenty of entries and the first heart ruff can't be over-ruffed.
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Posted 2016-May-12, 02:49
paulg, on 2016-May-12, 02:13, said:
You are right, of course, but have you played in the USA? You might be surprised at how much dealing by hand is done in all stages of the major, and minor, team tournaments.
Yes, it is surprising. And naturally not all of the hands are shuffled the requisite seven times (or 2500 times if using overhand shuffles).
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Posted 2016-May-12, 05:39
I must admit that, even at club level, I tend to avoid clubs that don't have access to a dealing machine.
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Tramticket, on 2016-May-12, 05:39, said:
I must admit that, even at club level, I tend to avoid clubs that don't have access to a dealing machine.
Luckily, I don't know of any of these. Even the club that gets 2-5 tables per week has a dealing machine.
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Posted 2016-May-12, 06:32
1eyedjack, on 2016-May-11, 10:22, said:
The more interesting question is how does one bid the grand? It should be possible using a sophisticated strong club system, but even using a standard system, if responder can splinter in spades after opener shows long clubs the grand may be reached. Diagnosing the fact that the diamond loser does not exist may be beyond all but the most sophisticated systems, however.
I sympathize with reaching only the small. Slam auctions with long club suits are very awkward.
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ArtK78, on 2016-May-12, 06:32, said:
The more interesting question is how does one bid the grand? It should be possible using a sophisticated strong club system,
You would not get to use the strong club system as either South would open a pre-empt or North would open one of a red suit.
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