[el mister]

Looking to incorporate Walsh-style responses in our 2/1 system, and the write-ups describing responder's hand with 4cM and a diamond suit all seem clear.

Just wondering how this impacts responder's hand with 5cM and no diamond suit - 5-3-3-2, 2-5-3-3 etc? Do you start with the major [opener taking it initially as a weak hand] then use something like xyz after opener's rebid to indicate invitational / strong hands [and must be showing 5+ in the major]? 2M rebid from responder would be weak and 5+.

[mgoetze]

el mister, on 2016-March-22, 14:57, said:

Do you start with the major

Yes, of course.

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[opener taking it initially as a weak hand]

I don't quite see what you mean by this.

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then use something like xyz after opener's rebid to indicate invitational / strong hands [and must be showing 5+ in the major]? 2M rebid from responder would be weak and 5+.

The nuances as to which responding structures are better in Walsh vs non-Walsh are somewhat subtle; at a non-expert level it's more than good enough to do whatever you were doing before you went for Walsh style responses. Yes, XYZ is one popular option.

[mike777]

el mister, on 2016-March-22, 14:57, said:

Looking to incorporate Walsh-style responses in our 2/1 system, and the write-ups describing responder's hand with 4cM and a diamond suit all seem clear.

Just wondering how this impacts responder's hand with 5cM and no diamond suit - 5-3-3-2, 2-5-3-3 etc? Do you start with the major [opener taking it initially as a weak hand] then use something like xyz after opener's rebid to indicate invitational / strong hands [and must be showing 5+ in the major]? 2M rebid from responder would be weak and 5+.

Not sure what your exact question is.

The general answer I give you is yes you can play Walsh and XYZ.

If you are asking what does the following mean?

1c=1s
1nt=2s?......2s=weak and signoff.

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If you are asking what does this mean?
1c=1s
1nt=2c
2d=2s?


for me 6s and inv.. with 5 I need to rebid 2nt....pard will:
1)pass with all minimums
2) 3s with 3s and max
3) 3nt or 3h or other with max and no 3s-------
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btw pard will bid reverse flannery with say 5s and 4h and just below inv.
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it may help if you have a specific problem hand...but in general ...walsh and xyz
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edit I should add that when playing xyz many many auctions come up undiscussed.
A typical example is:
1minor=1major
1nt=2c
2d=2major or 2nt?

for me 2 major=6 but 2nt may include a 5 card major.

[el mister]

Thanks for the replies.
I think my question arises from reading a lot of Walsh treatments for 4cM hands, and wondering how opener evaluates the possibility of responder holding a 5cM.

e.g. 1c - 1s could be weak with 4, or 5+ with any strength. So thinking about the subsequent sequences to discriminate these hand types.

[helene_t]

XYZ works well with Walsh because you need to be able to sign off in 2♦. But which check-back scheme is best for you also depends a bit on you 1nt rebid style. If 2♣ followed by 2M is invitational with 5+ in the major, opener better not have a singleton in responder's suit as he won't know whether 2M is a playable spot (6-card suit) or not (5-card suit).