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Has U.S. Democracy Been Trumped? Bernie Sanders wants to know who owns America?

#22081 User is offline   PassedOut 

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Posted Yesterday, 14:41

On the plus side, this thread that Winston started should be good for another four years -- unless the gestapo shuts it down.

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Posted Yesterday, 18:56

View Postshyams, on 2020-November-12, 12:39, said:

May I point out that Trump will behave unlike any other ex-President?

The tradition is that an ex-Pres will rarely (almost never) comment on the current President's policies or decisions. This will most certainly not apply to Trump; I would expect him to give a running commentary in the form of endless tweets ridiculing every decision or policy of the new administration.

Unless he is found culpable in some criminal misconduct, he would also see himself as the next Grover Cleveland (two discrete terms in office).

I'm afraid this thread is not going anywhere any time soon. There is still 8 more years of life left in it :blink: :(

This was before he was banned by Twitter four years ago.
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Posted Yesterday, 19:40

View Posthrothgar, on 2024-November-05, 07:35, said:

Does anyone actually understand the weird objection to have tampon's in the men's room?

I understand that there's a bunch of ignorant bigots who get their panties in a twist over these sorts of issues, however, if you're talking to normal folks and not idiots, what's the issue?

I can think of plenty of times when a trip to the grocery store has involved my needing to buy tampons for a female friend.

Back when I was in junior high school or high school, a request from one of my friends to grab her a tampon would have probably been a bit awkward, but I think that society has a whole (and particular the younger portions of out society) have evolved significantly.

It's not about boys getting tampons for girls. It's for transgender boys who still menstruate but choose to use the boy's bathroom.

And that's why conservatives have a problem with it -- it acknowledges the needs of transgender students, and is seen as normalizing transgender rights.

These are the people who believe Trump's wild claim that kids are coming home from school with their sex changed.

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Posted Yesterday, 19:47

BTW, I think we now have a definitive answer to the question in the thread title. Not only has it been trumped, but it's been doubled.

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Posted Today, 04:08

Interesting chart

https://cdn.bsky.app...h2oi6gfd4a@jpeg
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Posted Today, 04:23

So many things went wrong it's going to take decades to repair the damage.
Carville was wrong - it's not the economy, stupid.
Hunter S. Thompson was right - "When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional".
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Posted Today, 04:41

Tuesday night was horrific

I am much more worried about what's going to happen when

1. Musk goes crazy with ill founded cost cutting measures
2. Trump tries to enact his tarrifs
3. Trump attempts mass deportations
4. RFK Jr does god knows what to the CDC, NIH, ...
5. Trump attempts to pull the US out of NATO
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Posted Today, 07:42

There won't be a tariff on Novichok, though, and it might be a good idea to stear clear of any second-story or higher windows - I foresee an upsurge in defenestraion.
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Posted Today, 07:45

There won't be a tariff on Novichok, and progressives will need to avoid second-story or higher windows for 4 years to prevent an upsurge in defenestration.; the flaw in democracy is the bullies win, that the might of the masses creates right.

One thing I see no pundit discussing is that Harris received 14 million votes less than Biden, and the latest Trump count shows he garnered 3 million fewer votes than in 2020. This was a concern of mine, that the voting in 2020 due to the pandemic was easy to do, almost like drive-in voting, and that ease attracted a lot of votes that were not capable or engaged enough to stand in line for hours at the polls.

In a country of 300+ million, 72 million or so have guided us down a rabid hole.
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Posted Today, 09:26

Bill Ackman on Twitter: Posted Nov 5th late night. (https://x.com/BillAc...019674385547454)

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If the election outcome is as I expected, it should cause the large minority of the country who supported @KamalaHarris and predicted her victory to begin to question their sources of truth.

Half the country has believed that @X is filled with mis- and disinformation, and that they could only therefore rely on The NY Times, MSNBC, CNN and other mainstream media for their news. And they did.

If, however, you have been active on @X for the last year, you have known the truth days, weeks, often months before the facts appear in the MSM. The MSM excerpted, clipped and cut to defame @realDonaldTrump while claiming that @JoeBiden was fit as a fiddle.

Then when Biden’s polls collapsed, @KamalaHarris was anointed the candidate and her hagiography was written with glowing acclaim from the press. But this could not hold as she ducked the media and held fast to the teleprompter. Citizen journalists with their phone cameras in hand captured the real Kamala forcing her to defend her record and her plans in more media appearances.

It did not go well and the public demanded to learn more so @KamalaHarris had to risk more unscripted media. The doom loop was underway with perhaps 60 Minutes as one of the more dramatic examples, even after CBS tried to save her, most glaringly by excerpting one answer to replace a word salad response to another. But the citizen journalists on @X quickly caught and outed this fraud and demanded a transcript.

As many who supported Kamala began to realize that they have been misled, they became open to Trump as an alternative, but they didn’t want to rely on the media to understand him because they did not want to be misled again. They wanted to hear the candidate in his own words and that is where @lexfridman and @joeroganhq long form podcasts came to the rescue. When Kamala was offered the same opportunities to explain herself, she rejected them. And the voting public could only draw a negative inference.

When the story of this election is written, I expect it will be as much about how half of America woke up to the reality that they have been manipulated by the media. This should lead to an abandonment by many of the MSM as their primary source of information. It will push more people to @X, to podcasts and other empirical sources, and it will lead to a more informed public.

The other outcome I hope happens is the implosion of the Democratic Party. The Party lied to the American people about the cognitive health and fitness of the president. It prevented, threatened, litigated and otherwise eliminated the ability of other candidates for the primary to compete, to get on ballots, and to even participate in a debate. The Party and the administration used lawfare in an attempt to imprison, bankrupt or otherwise kill off Trump as a candidate. These acts are collectively grave threats to our democracy. With the highest irony in order to hide these acts, the Party accused the opposition candidate of being the grave threat to democracy.

The Democratic Party proved itself to be fundamentally undemocratic. It needs a complete reboot. The leadership should be thrown out and those responsible should apologize to the American people.

Honest Abe said it best: You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.


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Bill Ackman got one thing wrong IMHO. The mainstream media did not claim Joe Biden was "fit as a fiddle"; they insisted he was "sharp as a tack"
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Posted Today, 12:28

I am fine with being cautious about what I hear on the media, any media. But I am not ready to switch to X in general or Bill Ackman in specific.

There is much to think about.
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