[amateur_]

Another uncharted territory I came upon recently - 2♥(2♠)? imagine sitting N in http://tinyurl.com/lbbbcx4
Options: Pass is probably the wisest choice. Then 3m - I guess competitive bids (not forcing). 2NT - not fully exempted however ruled out due to ♥ void.
Next puzzle - what about DBL, is it penalty having pd's 2♥ hand clear limits? Clearly, no successful penalty is certain looking at N hand itself, but nevertheless possible experiment.
Curious to hear your assessment about DBL and 3♣/♦ meaning in this layout.

[mgoetze]

Yes, after your partner preempts, your doubles are penalty. Of course, as you already noted, pass is probably the better decision here.

West's 2♠ bid was truly atrocious.

[whereagles]

atrocious, but it worked.

anyway, pass is relatively obvious.. the misfit means no game is on for our side, and anything we bid is forcing.

[helene_t]

whereagles, on 2014-December-05, 08:27, said:

anything we bid is forcing.

Is that so, even after interference?

Maybe you are right, opener probably won't pass a freebid anyway since it could be lead-directing with a fit.

Probably we ought to play transfers in this spot.

[aguahombre]

Observation: If South had a weak-two (say AJ9XXX), we can tap and claim with the same line of play.

[whereagles]

helene_t, on 2014-December-05, 10:01, said:

1. Is that so, even after interference?

2. (...) Probably we ought to play transfers in this spot.

1. I think so. Otherwise you're out of natural forcing bids.

2. I tried that and liked it. Meanwhile pard and I stopped playing together. meh

[mgoetze]

helene_t, on 2014-December-05, 10:01, said:

Is that so, even after interference?

With my present partner I agreed that they are no longer forcing after interference, but it seems like a pretty academic problem either way.

[the hog]

helene_t, on 2014-December-05, 10:01, said:

Is that so, even after interference?

Maybe you are right, opener probably won't pass a freebid anyway since it could be lead-directing with a fit.

Probably we ought to play transfers in this spot.

The whole auction is commedia dell'arte. The 2H opening is poor, the 2S bid is bad, East bid beautifully.
Transfers are a bad idea. Why make the weak hand declarer? Yes, new suits are forcing. The Pass card is not.

[whereagles]

the hog, on 2014-December-06, 03:06, said:

Transfers are a bad idea. Why make the weak hand declarer?

I dispute that. Transfers can be useful for (1) showing a suit in a natural & forcing way, and (2) directing the lead with main suit fit. Whether it's worth the extra complication and loss of natural bids, that's another story.

RANT ON

When I used to open 5-cards weak twos, I used transfer schemes with three hand types even:

(1) new suit, wimpish, i.e. "my suit is bigger than yours" [responder passes afterwards]
(2) side suit + main fit [responder bids 3/4 of main suit as invite/slam invite]
(3) new suit, constructive (responder bids something else nat).

Meaning (1) seems agricultural, but it did come out pretty often. Putting weak hand as declarer was never a problem. I can't remember a single time it mattered.

/RANT OFF

[the hog]

whereagles, on 2014-December-06, 04:33, said:

I dispute that. Transfers can be useful for (1) showing a suit in a natural & forcing way, and (2) directing the lead with main suit fit. Whether it's worth the extra complication and loss of natural bids, that's another story.

RANT ON

When I used to open 5-cards weak twos, I used transfer schemes with three hand types even:

(1) new suit, wimpish, i.e. "my suit is bigger than yours" [responder passes afterwards]
(2) side suit + main fit [responder bids 3/4 of main suit as invite/slam invite]
(3) new suit, constructive (responder bids something else nat).

Meaning (1) seems agricultural, but it did come out pretty often. Putting weak hand as declarer was never a problem. I can't remember a single time it mattered.

/RANT OFF

Disagree Nuno. Points 2 and 3 are better handled by natural bids. If you want to play silly weak 2s you can always use the McCabe Adjunct.Whats the difference?

[whereagles]

the hog, on 2014-December-06, 07:18, said:

Disagree Nuno. Points 2 and 3 are better handled by natural bids. If you want to play silly weak 2s you can always use the McCabe Adjunct.Whats the difference?

Well, think of transfers/McCabe as Rubensohl/Lebensohl. Both can be played, no prob.

[jogs]

mgoetze, on 2014-December-05, 08:06, said:

Yes, after your partner preempts, your doubles are penalty. Of course, as you already noted, pass is probably the better decision here.

West's 2♠ bid was truly atrocious.

2♠ may have been bad. The defense was truly atrocious.
I'm too lazy to play it out. Doesn't 2♠ go down?

[aguahombre]

jogs, on 2014-December-06, 18:56, said:

2♠ may have been bad. The defense was truly atrocious.
I'm too lazy to play it out. Doesn't 2♠ go down?

It was played out for you in the link ...post number one.

[aguahombre]

jogs, on 2014-December-06, 18:56, said:

2♠ may have been bad. The defense was truly atrocious.
I'm too lazy to play it out. Doesn't 2♠ go down?

It was played out for you in the link ...post number one. OP and his partner defended as if Opener had a weak-two.

[jogs]

I saw the link. Trick 3 South should have returned a diamond. Give West a chance to go wrong.

Think 2♠ is cold. But with a diamond back West can easily go wrong and go down two.