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#1 User is offline   namreh47 

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Posted 2014-January-27, 02:37

Green vs red you have K10xx AKx Jx K98x and your rho opens with 1H; you double, lho passes, partner bids 1S
and rho bids 2C. I bid 2S. Do you agree? My BBO partner doesn't and states that everybody should pass here.
The Official Encyclopedia of Bridge advises 2S as a "raise in competition".
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Posted 2014-January-27, 04:26

Hi Namreh47, welcom to the forum!

I am not sure I would have doubled with your hand in the first place, you have a doubleton in an unbid suit.

Your 2 bid is ok in my opinion. With extra values you would have doubled again without four spades, and bid 2 with four spades. So even if your general style is to raise only with constructive values, this would be an exception.
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Posted 2014-January-27, 05:56

The way I play it 2 shows extra even in competition.
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Posted 2014-January-27, 07:03

Hello nemreh and welcome to the BBO forums.

 namreh47, on 2014-January-27, 02:37, said:

Green vs red you have K10xx AKx Jx K98x and your rho opens with 1H; you double,

Errr, no I don't. Holding a weak NT with length and strength in their suit it is usually a good idea to pass initially.


 namreh47, on 2014-January-27, 02:37, said:

I bid 2S. Do you agree? My BBO partner doesn't and states that everybody should pass here.

This is a matter of agreement. The traditional way of playing is for a raise to show some extras. However, many expert pairs have this raise simply show 4 spades and little else. Without agreement I would assume the traditional meaning but both ways are perfectly playable and the competitive raise is probably better providing the rest of the structure is designed around it.

In short I do not agree with either of you. You because the raise shows some extras without agreement; and your partner because everybody should not pass. As a high-profile pair that would not pass, Meckwell (Meckstroth-Rodwell) usually raise very aggressively with 4 card support in auctions like this.
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Posted 2014-January-27, 12:59

 namreh47, on 2014-January-27, 02:37, said:

Green vs red you have K10xx AKx Jx K98x and your rho opens with 1H; you double, lho passes, partner bids 1S
and rho bids 2C. I bid 2S. Do you agree? My BBO partner doesn't and states that everybody should pass here.
The Official Encyclopedia of Bridge advises 2S as a "raise in competition".


I strongly agree with the double of 1. Whether or not you should raise to 2 is trickier, its possible that partner has only 3 and a very bad hand. He knows you will have 4 spades about 90% percent of the time so if he has 4 and short clubs he should compete to 2 himself.
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Posted 2014-January-28, 12:48

If the raise doesn't show extras, I would raise. If the raise does show extras, I would raise, apologize, and still raise in the future.
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Posted 2014-January-28, 16:06

 helene_t, on 2014-January-27, 04:26, said:

Hi Namreh47, welcom to the forum!

I am not sure I would have doubled with your hand in the first place, you have a doubleton in an unbid suit.

Your 2 bid is ok in my opinion. With extra values you would have doubled again without four spades, and bid 2 with four spades. So even if your general style is to raise only with constructive values, this would be an exception.


I have to agree. Double w/ 3 cards in their suit is only acceptable w/ a BIG hand (you know, those hands you wish you got more often)...

As for bidding 2S... I'm not 100% sure. If this promises no extras, then it's marginal. I would pass myself, having said my hand already.
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