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Fall NABC 2013, Phoenix, AZ Item 133 - 21: ACBL General & Mid Chart Conventions

#1 User is offline   hrothgar 

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Posted 2013-November-04, 12:24

The ACBL BoD will be considering the following motion in Phoenix

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Convention Charts be amended as follows:

Item#12 of the ACBL Mid Chart, “Opening two hearts or two spades showing a weak two
bid, with a four card minor“ be moved to the Opening Bids section of the ACBL General
Convention Chart:


I am hence forth claiming victory in the long standing debate regarding whether or not a Muiderberg 2M opening is Midchart or not...
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Posted 2013-November-04, 12:42

You had a long-standing debate with people who cannot read?
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Posted 2013-November-04, 16:32

Well, now. If that succeeds, Hrothgar, will you be able to tell me if a Polish 2-bid (5 bid M+5m) will be allowed on the GCC?

(I have put in my comment to that effect to my district director to, if we move it, clarify all the relevant issues when we do).
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Posted 2013-November-07, 11:06

If this trend continues, MOSCITO will be GCC legal in 700 years. Result!
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Posted 2013-November-08, 04:46

Does this mean that you could open 2H showing spades and a four card minor? Or opening 2S showing exactly four diamonds, any other distribution? Or 2H to show a weak balanced hand with at least one 4 card minor? I do not know why one would like to play something like that, but it seems like the definition would allow it ;)
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Posted 2013-November-08, 20:11

View PostKungsgeten, on 2013-November-08, 04:46, said:

Does this mean that you could open 2H showing spades and a four card minor? Or opening 2S showing exactly four diamonds, any other distribution? Or 2H to show a weak balanced hand with at least one 4 card minor? I do not know why one would like to play something like that, but it seems like the definition would allow it ;)

I'm pretty sure the wording would be interpreted to mean "weak two in the suit bid, also with a side minor", typically 5+/4+ major/minor.
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Posted 2013-November-09, 16:50

what do you do with 6M322 pass?
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Posted 2013-November-09, 19:05

View Poststeve2005, on 2013-November-09, 16:50, said:

what do you do with 6M332 pass?
I want my cake and to eat it too.
Bring in Multi's


Call the TD and explain that you failed to count your cards before looking. :P
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Posted 2013-November-11, 06:01

View Poststeve2005, on 2013-November-09, 16:50, said:

what do you do with 6M332 pass?

Bidding 2M with a weak hand and either (6 card suit | 5M and 4+ minor) has always been GCC legal. Note that this does not promise anything besides the suit bid naturally. There was some question as to whether having the suit bid and promising a side minor was or was not GCC. This would resolve that ambiguity.
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Posted 2013-November-11, 17:33

View Postrbforster, on 2013-November-11, 06:01, said:

Bidding 2M with a weak hand and either (6 card suit | 5M and 4+ minor) has always been GCC legal. Note that this does not promise anything besides the suit bid naturally. There was some question as to whether having the suit bid and promising a side minor was or was not GCC. This would resolve that ambiguity.

yes but I want to have a bid that shows a 6-card pre-empt and another bid which is 5M4m
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Posted 2013-November-11, 18:15

View Poststeve2005, on 2013-November-11, 17:33, said:

yes but I want to have a bid that shows a 6-card pre-empt and another bid which is 5M4m


In all seriousness, I like to play a 2S opening that shows a preemptive hand with either

6+ spades OR
4+ spades and a 5+ card club suit
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Posted 2013-November-23, 19:07

Anyone know if this passed?
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Posted 2013-November-24, 13:23

View Poststeve2005, on 2013-November-23, 19:07, said:

Anyone know if this passed?

The Fall NABC begins after lunch on Thanksgiving Day. It cannot have passed before the committee has had a chance to meet.
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Posted 2013-November-24, 14:08

View PostJmBrPotter, on 2013-November-24, 13:23, said:

The Fall NABC begins after lunch on Thanksgiving Day. It cannot have passed before the committee has had a chance to meet.

oh. had Thanksgiving already here in Canada lol
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