[eagles123]

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dealer north opps silent

thanks

Eagles

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[mike777]

P=2c
2s=3d
4d=etc should get you to 13 tricks

[Fluffy]

I agree with mike??

[PhilKing]

 Fluffy, on 2013-September-16, 15:18, said:

I agree with mike??

He had me until "etc".

[mgoetze]

p-1♠-p-7NT; p-p-p?

[manudude03]

P-2C
2S-3D
4D-4NT
5D-7NT

The 4NT bid isn't necessary if you play 2S as showing 2 of the top 3.

[wyman]

2C 2S (showing 2 of the top 3)
3D 4D
7N

[ggwhiz]

After 2♣ - whatever - 3♦ the key is to realize that if partner didn't want diamonds raised they would have done something else.

Sometimes it's plutzing towards 3nt looking for stoppers but not after opening 2♣. Once diamonds are raised here west has an easy go of it as posted already. Many other situations where it is right to support a minor to the 4-level bypassing 3nt can be pretty fuzzy and nobody gets them all right.

[1eyedjack]

Superfluous SQ makes this hand perhaps a bit trivial. But what if East had held
S: Axxxx
H: xxx
D: 9xx
C: xx

?

[mike777]

 1eyedjack, on 2013-September-16, 21:13, said:

Superfluous SQ makes this hand perhaps a bit trivial. But what if East had held
S: Axxxx
H: xxx
D: 9xx
C: xx

?

then two novices players will not bid 7nt...they are novice and that is ok.

too hard to bid 7nt with 2 novice players.

[Fluffy]

for slam to be reached West would have to overbid a little:

2♣-2♦
4♦

4♦ = sets trumps forces partner to cuebid

now east cuebids, west asks for aces, then for trump queen and east indeed shows it, grand reached.

[Cyberyeti]

 mike777, on 2013-September-16, 22:27, said:

then two novices players will not bid 7nt...they are novice and that is ok.

too hard to bid 7nt with 2 novice players.

Old fashioned Acol does it:

2♣-2♦(0-7)
3♦-4♦(promises an ace, better than 5♦)
7N

If 4♦ doesn't promise an ace, you have to ask for it

You know this is no worse than diamonds 2-1 even if partner doesn't have Q♦

[Lord Molyb]

good thing I play 10-13 NT, slightly easier after a 1NT opening by east

[Cyberyeti]

 Lord Molyb, on 2013-September-17, 10:30, said:

good thing I play 10-13 NT, slightly easier after a 1NT opening by east

Providing you can show that you have 3 diamonds, AQxxx, QJx, xx, QJx is not a great grand although one you don't mind being in.

[RSClyde]

 Cyberyeti, on 2013-September-17, 07:35, said:

Old fashioned Acol does it:

2♣-2♦(0-7)
3♦-4♦(promises an ace, better than 5♦)
7N

If 4♦ doesn't promise an ace, you have to ask for it

You know this is no worse than diamonds 2-1 even if partner doesn't have Q♦

If that's the auction then east may have to bid 8nt now, since he has 3 more HCP than he said.

[eagles123]

Thanks folks

I know this hand was quite trivial in that clearly all the keycards are there etc, but the key is that E has 3 diamonds. say E had 1 diamond then grand is very dodgy indeed... so was basically wondering how to show that

Thanks,

Eagles

[PhilG007]

 eagles123, on 2013-September-16, 14:03, said:

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dealer north opps silent

thanks

Eagles

[Lovera]

There is a convention called "Reese" that is used on 2♣ bidding :2♣-2♦, 4♦ (a jump show that this suit is compact) query for Aces -4♠(=second step 1A-spade), 5♣(=? for K)-5♦(=0Kings 1.st step with 3 diamonds almost) than with 5♠ or 6♣ is known the Queen presence in the same way for 13 tricks.(Lovera)

[Cyberyeti]

 RSClyde, on 2013-September-17, 13:23, said:

If that's the auction then east may have to bid 8nt now, since he has 3 more HCP than he said.

Hands faster than brain, I should have put "denies an ace and a king" rather than 0-7 which is the even older version of the Acol negative.

[mikeh]

 eagles123, on 2013-September-17, 15:03, said:

Thanks folks

I know this hand was quite trivial in that clearly all the keycards are there etc, but the key is that E has 3 diamonds. say E had 1 diamond then grand is very dodgy indeed... so was basically wondering how to show that

Thanks,

Eagles

The key is to support with support....it is amazing how often raising when one has a raise works out, and amazing how often players talk themselves into doing something else.