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These days the NGS ratings are significant. The team playing in division 1 was promoted based on NGS ratings.
It therefore strikes me as unfair to rate the midnight speedballs, where everyone is drunk and psyches on every board.
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Posted 2013-August-18, 05:24
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Posted 2013-August-19, 18:27
Hm. I don't drink. Does that mean I'm banned from these events? 
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Posted 2013-August-19, 19:06
blackshoe, on 2013-August-19, 18:27, said:
Hm. I don't drink. Does that mean I'm banned from these events?
You just have to psyche 3 vodkas.
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Posted 2013-August-31, 11:03
mr1303, on 2013-August-18, 05:24, said:
These days the NGS ratings are significant. The team playing in division 1 was promoted based on NGS ratings.
It therefore strikes me as unfair to rate the midnight speedballs, where everyone is drunk and psyches on every board.
It therefore strikes me as unfair to rate the midnight speedballs, where everyone is drunk and psyches on every board.
Your second sentence strikes me as the problem.
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Posted 2013-August-31, 11:59
Division 1 of what?
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Posted 2013-August-31, 12:19
mr1303, on 2013-August-18, 05:24, said:
It therefore strikes me as unfair to rate the midnight speedballs, where everyone is drunk and psyches on every board.
As long as everyone is drunk, there is no problem. It's those saddos that are targetting speedballs to improve the rating that are the real problem.
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Posted 2013-September-01, 01:01
mr1303, on 2013-August-18, 05:24, said:
It therefore strikes me as unfair to rate the midnight speedballs, where everyone is drunk and psyches on every board.
Aren't they the only events at Brighton that permit Level 5 (c.f., SuperChart in ACBL) systems? And therefore perhaps should carry a premium?
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Posted 2013-September-02, 06:02
c_corgi, on 2013-August-31, 11:59, said:
Division 1 of what?
I'm still wondering what the answer to this question is. Most local leagues base their promotion and relegation solely on performance in the league, so it would be unusual for any other factors to be taken into account.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2013-September-02, 06:17
This was sorted out in Brighton, NGS is no longer affected, and no masterpoints are awarded. The problem was not so much the psyching, more that a few players were doing unethical things that they never would in any other event, including a few cases of deliberately misentering scores.
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Posted 2013-September-04, 05:04
gnasher, on 2013-September-02, 06:02, said:
I'm still wondering what the answer to this question is. Most local leagues base their promotion and relegation solely on performance in the league, so it would be unusual for any other factors to be taken into account.
This is division 1 of a local league.
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Posted 2013-September-26, 11:48
Thanks to Mungo (sectorzz9) for filling that one in. The Avon league division 1 was short a team (I believe due to a team withdrawing or something similar), so they used the average NGS ratings of the other teams to decide the best replacement.
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Posted 2013-September-26, 18:45
mr1303, on 2013-September-26, 11:48, said:
Thanks to Mungo (sectorzz9) for filling that one in. The Avon league division 1 was short a team (I believe due to a team withdrawing or something similar), so they used the average NGS ratings of the other teams to decide the best replacement.
While this is not great, the county committee may not have much else to go on. If there were a star on one team, or a pair that had had lots of recent success, that would be one thing, but lacking anything like that, using the ratings was marginally better than flipping a coin.
EDIT: Sorry, none of the above makes sense. Can there be a good reason not to promote the highest-ranked team in the second division (who were not already promoted)?
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Posted 2013-September-27, 06:44
Vampyr, on 2013-September-26, 18:45, said:
EDIT: Sorry, none of the above makes sense. Can there be a good reason not to promote the highest-ranked team in the second division (who were not already promoted)?
In the English Premier League team changes every season means that the Selection Committee does not use this criteria.
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Posted 2013-October-20, 11:57
I am at a bit of a loss to undestand why one would use external ratings for a situation like this. As an example from football, last season the clubs finishing in the relegatin spots from the 2nd Bundesliga were Sandhausen and Regensburg. However, a higher finishing club failed to obtain their playing license and were therefore relegated according to league rules. Did the league now go to transfermarkt.de or some other ratings site to find out the market values of the other teams? Surely not. They simply reinstated the higher finishing relegated team, Sandhausen.
In the case of a bridge league I would expect the same process to be applied. If a promoted team was unable to play then remove their promotion place and promote instead the highest finishing of the remaining 2nd dividion teams. If it is a 1st division team then treat them as having been relegated and reinstate the highest finishing relegated team. It is difficult to see what could be simpler and it is amazing that this scenario is not written into the league regulations. What on Earth would they have done had this happened before the introduction of NGS?!?
In the case of a bridge league I would expect the same process to be applied. If a promoted team was unable to play then remove their promotion place and promote instead the highest finishing of the remaining 2nd dividion teams. If it is a 1st division team then treat them as having been relegated and reinstate the highest finishing relegated team. It is difficult to see what could be simpler and it is amazing that this scenario is not written into the league regulations. What on Earth would they have done had this happened before the introduction of NGS?!?
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