[barsikb]

5-card support Jxxx 4HCP
Vul or Non-Vul
5-3-3-2, 5-4-3-1, 5-4-4-0, 5-4-2-2

[barsikb]

Sorry, mistake!

My partner opened 1S. I have Jxxxx is Spades, 4High card points. Should I raise if we are vulnerable? Non-vulnerable?
If my hand is 5-2-4-2? 5-3-1-4? 5-3-3-2? 5-0-4-4?

[eagles123]

barsikb, on 2013-July-06, 02:56, said:

Sorry, mistake!

My partner opened 1S. I have Jxxxx is Spades, 4High card points. Should I raise if we are vulnerable? Non-vulnerable?
If my hand is 5-2-4-2? 5-3-1-4? 5-3-3-2? 5-0-4-4?

i would bid 4 spades most times especially white/red but what do i know

maybe 5-3-3-2 is a little different but 5-0-4-4 i think its a clear 4 spade bid?

(presuming u play 5 card majors)

[BillHiggin]

I would certainly make some raise - the real question is how high (IMHO).
It also defends on methods.
If we play 3♠ as weak, then I would raise at least to that level.
If I hold a singleton or void, I would raise to 4♠.
If I hold some 5332, then 2♠ if 3♠ is not weak.
If some 5422, and my side 3HCP are in the side suit, I bid 4!S otherwise 2/3 (Kxxx being much better than QJxx)
Vulnerability would not influence me.

(I have experienced some memory loss from oxygen starvation - my opinions might be suspect)

[barsikb]

Thank you, eagles123 and BillHiggin

This is Bergen idea, right? Less than 6HCP, bid 4 with 5-card support and 3 with 4-card support.

Just in case I bid 2Spades with 5-3-3-2, shall I raise to 4 after partner invited by bidding 3S?

[BillHiggin]

barsikb, on 2013-July-06, 05:55, said:

Thank you, eagles123 and BillHiggin

This is Bergen idea, right? Less than 6HCP, bid 4 with 5-card support and 3 with 4-card support.

Just in case I bid 2Spades with 5-3-3-2, shall I raise to 4 after partner invited by bidding 3S?

The preemptive raise to 4 on 5+ card support plus some shortness and a weak hand very much predates Bergan or the Law of Total Tricks (standard in old style Goren methods).

The 5332 shape offers little as far as playing strength. I would pass partner's 3♠ game try (I am about an Ace shy of what he is hoping for).

An even more extreme situation exists with actual LOTT situations. 4333 shape is not worth a super-accept of a transfer or a "Bergan" raise even if partner's suit is your 4 banger.

[gwnn]

3S is enough with 5332, if you play that as preemptive. I personally hate bidding 2S with 5 cards but maybe that's the best solution with 5332 4-counts if you can't bid 3S with it.