[barsikb]

Dealer: N

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[Zelandakh]

To answer this one I need to know a little about what you have been taught but hopefully you can get the gist from an outline. I think the North hand is too good for a 1NT opening and should be treated as 18. So North opens 1♠, South responds 2♣ and now North makes the systemic rebid for 18-19 balanced. In many (most?) systems this will be 2NT. If you have been taught 3NT then this is also fine. The South hand does not fit well but is nonetheless good enough for a slam try now. The logical move towards that is 4NT, which North will pass.

[TylerE]

1N-2C
2S-3N

No, I don't get to slam. I'm not going to over-think things.

I think the N hand is ok for NT. The spade holding is an upgrade, but the the rest of the hand is neutral or downgrade worthy.

[wyman]

1S-2C (we play 2/1 GF)
2N-3N (2N = 12-14 or 18-19 balanced, usually 5332, 3N = to play)
4N-6N (4N = 18-19, 6N = to play)

If north chooses to open this 1N, we'll peter out in 3N on Tyler's auction, which is ok.

[TylerE]

Do we really want to be in 6 here?

[wyman]

TylerE, on 2013-February-06, 13:48, said:

Do we really want to be in 6 here?

Looks like a lot of chances to me, but I wasn't even making the argument that we should be there. Just saying that I would end up in 6N for better or for worse.

[fromageGB]

I prefer a 1♠ open because it looks more like a spade hand than a NT hand, even if you play 1NT can include a 5 card major.

1♠ - 2♣ (game force playing 2 over 1, not necessarily long clubs)
2♦ (waiting bid, so that responder can clarify his hand a little) - 2♥ (useful 4 card suit)
2NT (suggests playing in NT) - 3NT (nothing else to say)
4NT (slam suggestion) - pass

Think of the 4NT as being like a quantitative NT raise, with responder passing on a minimum 13-15 hcp hand, but going 6NT on a 16 count. Or maybe trying 5NT on a 15 count, but here the spade shortage is not going to help opener's hand.

[Fluffy]

I don't understand those who ar able to show 18 with north and then pass with south's hand, 33 combined, and every suit with 4+ cards so no dreadful AQx opposite KJx. You should just go to slam.

I would rebid 2NT with north wich shows 15+, then it is a bit messy because south is probably worth no more than 3NT, but north might be worth 4NT.

[Cyberyeti]

Fluffy, on 2013-February-07, 06:26, said:

I don't understand those who ar able to show 18 with north and then pass with south's hand, 33 combined, and every suit with 4+ cards so no dreadful AQx opposite KJx. You should just go to slam.

I would rebid 2NT with north wich shows 15+, then it is a bit messy because south is probably worth no more than 3NT, but north might be worth 4NT.

Agreed.

We would bid:

1♠-2♣(10+)
2N (GF not always bal, 15+)-3♥(4♥, only 4♣)
4N (quant usually 17-bad 19 bal, 3♠ would be spades, 4♠ would ask aces with hearts agreed)-6N (would bid 6♠with 3424 which is still possible)

[Zelandakh]

Why not Fluffy? The hands fit badly and there is no trick source. Since 5332 is often upgraded, 17 is hardly unexpected either. I think doing more than 4NT here would be reckless.

[cargobeep]

East's hand

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[daveharty]

barsikb, on 2013-February-05, 09:09, said:

Dealer: N

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cargobeep, on 2013-February-07, 11:24, said:

East's hand

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There sure are a lot of diamond honors in this deck.

[Cyberyeti]

daveharty, on 2013-February-07, 12:51, said:

There sure are a lot of diamond honors in this deck.

What he's saying is that if opening leader had ♦AKxx and partner had the rest of the deck and the same shape, the sequence would be the same and you'd be off ♦AK.

[manudude03]

Sure, that could happen, but most people will go middle of the road and bid a 33 combined slam, unless they find that they have 2 losers.

1S-2C
2NT-3NT
4NT-6NT for me.

[Cyberyeti]

manudude03, on 2013-February-07, 16:11, said:

Sure, that could happen, but most people will go middle of the road and bid a 33 combined slam, unless they find that they have 2 losers.

1S-2C
2NT-3NT
4NT-6NT for me.

I don't have a problem with this, but I do feel that I might bid 4♣ on the way over 3N as it could be a good idea to play in clubs, and after this it potentially gets murky, but maybe S just bids 6N.

Try xx, AKxx, Qx, AJ108x opposite the original hand for example where 6♣ is a lot better than 6N.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

wyman, on 2013-February-06, 13:29, said:

1S-2C (we play 2/1 GF)
2N-3N (2N = 12-14 or 18-19 balanced, usually 5332, 3N = to play)
4N-6N (4N = 18-19, 6N = to play)

How do we give Opener 18-19 when he has only 17 hcp ??

3NT directly over the 2C! ( GF ) would be the 15-17 picture bid .

[Cyberyeti]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2013-February-08, 22:32, said:

How do we give Opener 18-19 when he has only 17 hcp ??

3NT directly over the 2C! ( GF ) would be the 15-17 picture bid .

Would you open this a 15-17 1N if you did open them with 5M ? I wouldn't, I'd treat it as too good hence showing 18-19.

[wyman]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2013-February-08, 22:32, said:

How do we give Opener 18-19 when he has only 17 hcp ??

3NT directly over the 2C! ( GF ) would be the 15-17 picture bid .

(a) I think it's worth 18 (honors are prime, we have a nice 5 card suit)
(b) I get the added benefit of partner raising spades directly (as opposed to opening this 1N).

[barsikb]

Thank you for all the replies.

Sorry, I need to get back to basics on this.

1♠-2♣
After that presuming we are not using 2/1 but SAYC, what should opener bid?

Isn't 2NT showing less than 15HCP?

What would North bid after partner's 2♣ if his hand was AKJ85,87,KJ2,953 in both SAYC and 2/1?

[Zelandakh]

Many systems use a repest of Opener's major (2♠ here) as a "bucket" to cover all of the weak hands. That frees up 2NT to be strong and balanced. This is why I was asking what you have been taught. If you play that 2NT is weak and use a 3NT rebid to show a stronger hand then you have to do that instead. It makes little difference here as Responder simply wants to invite slam with 4NT.