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Problematic sequence FSF
#1
Posted 2012-October-10, 09:26
After 1♣-1♦; 1♠-2♥ (FSF), opener with 4=3=2=4 and no heart stopper has no rebid. The strangest part is that 2♠ is 5+♣, rebiddable ♠, 3 card ♣, but overall it seems opener should have some bid that says "I have nothing to show - no fragments, no 3 card support, no stopper and no extra length".
#2
Posted 2012-October-10, 10:54
This seems to me to be more a question about 2/1 in general than about GIB. A 2♠ rebid by opener sounds like a distributional two-suiter; a 3♣ rebid should include "I have nothing to show".
#3
Posted 2012-October-10, 11:04
Precisely how I play it, but for GIB it shows something like 6-4 in the blacks. Hence my post
#4
Posted 2012-October-10, 11:43
I strongly prefer using 2♠ on that sequence as nothing to show. With a real 5-6 I think opener can afford to bid 3♠. 2♠ gives responder two more options to bid. When you don't know where you are going, I think it's a lot more useful to have more space below 3nt, than to cater to naturally bidding a very rare hand type.
My general rule is cheapest of opener's two suits doesn't promise anything in response to 4sf.
My general rule is cheapest of opener's two suits doesn't promise anything in response to 4sf.
#5
Posted 2012-October-10, 12:07
Also works (though I personally play that as the 6-5, less space efficient but easy on the memory). As long as any bid is assigned this meaning, I think GIB's system would be improved.
#6
Posted 2012-October-10, 17:16
Antrax, on 2012-October-10, 09:26, said:
After 1♣-1♦; 1♠-2♥ (FSF), opener with 4=3=2=4 and no heart stopper has no rebid. The strangest part is that 2♠ is 5+♣, rebiddable ♠, 3 card ♣, but overall it seems opener should have some bid that says "I have nothing to show - no fragments, no 3 card support, no stopper and no extra length".
Don't bid the 1♠, bid 1NT. Those sort of details should explicitly discussed in the system notes (it is a system from a blank slate) but aren't.
#7
Posted 2012-October-10, 17:27
cloa513, on 2012-October-10, 17:16, said:
Don't bid the 1♠, bid 1NT. Those sort of details should explicitly discussed in the system notes (it is a system from a blank slate) but aren't.
That was my first thought, but I would also agree with Bbradley's 3C "nothing to say" making sense.
Cheers,
Carl
Carl
#8
Posted 2012-October-10, 21:26
CarlRitner, on 2012-October-10, 17:27, said:
That was my first thought, but I would also agree with Bbradley's 3C "nothing to say" making sense.
No a great place to necessarily play and you have partially wasted a whole sequence of bidding- you could have 5 ♣+ for which 3NT or a possible 6♣ would be a lot easier.
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