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Hi guys,
Where do Walsh Relays end up? Do you end up in a slam in the suit that responder has shown or do you end up in 6N as a rule?
For those of you who do not play Walsh Relays please see.
I am thinking of taking them up but it is a lot of work for my memory and they still seem to wrong side the contract.
Is their only advantage that they are more precise than the methods currently employed in SAYC?
Your thoughts much appreciated.
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Posted 2012-July-28, 11:27
They wrong side half the time.
They are helpful for quickly stopping in 3N but they aren't as useful as four suit transfers since responder can quickly show shortness.
They are helpful for quickly stopping in 3N but they aren't as useful as four suit transfers since responder can quickly show shortness.
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Posted 2012-July-28, 18:25
Actually, the wrong-siding is not as frequent with Walsh Relays as advertised.
Responder is first to bid the club suit, if that is the focus, only when the suit is broken. Thus, responder has more controls outside. If Diamonds are trump, then wrong-siding is more likely, but then many of those times it doesn't matter anyway.
estimating a wrong-side "half the time" is quite an overbid, considering all the times it ends in Notrump, plus the above.
Responder is first to bid the club suit, if that is the focus, only when the suit is broken. Thus, responder has more controls outside. If Diamonds are trump, then wrong-siding is more likely, but then many of those times it doesn't matter anyway.
estimating a wrong-side "half the time" is quite an overbid, considering all the times it ends in Notrump, plus the above.
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Posted 2012-July-28, 20:51
True, it's not half the time. It's probably more.
When responder bids clubs with the bad suit slam try its wrong sided. Responder has already wrong sided all diamond slams by bidding 2♦ initially.
Still, even though responder is playing it, wrong siding is less of a concern, since responder has a pretty good hand anyway.
Only when responder has a good suit in clubs is it right sided. If opener ends up playing some number of NT it's OK, but that's fairly self evident.
When responder bids clubs with the bad suit slam try its wrong sided. Responder has already wrong sided all diamond slams by bidding 2♦ initially.
Still, even though responder is playing it, wrong siding is less of a concern, since responder has a pretty good hand anyway.
Only when responder has a good suit in clubs is it right sided. If opener ends up playing some number of NT it's OK, but that's fairly self evident.
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Posted 2012-July-30, 04:02
Any reason you could not simple rearrange the bids to avoid the wrongsiding issue with clubs and a weak suit? Also, over a weak NT I would think making Responder declare would be rightsiding! My initial reaction to this scheme is that it is something of a waste of a useful bidding sequence. The information about the top 3 honours in Responder's suit can be found out in other ways. Distributional information tends to be far more important to discover at a low level. There are alternative schemes that can do this reasonably well if you are willing to give up this sequence for that purpose.
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