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A matter of style or just wrong? 1m 1M 2M

#21 User is offline   mgoetze 

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Posted 2012-July-05, 07:36

 Phil352, on 2012-July-03, 16:26, said:

What hand shapes do you raise to 2M with only 3 card support?

None. I expect this is one of the styles Justin considers bad. ;)
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Posted 2012-July-05, 07:46

 Phil352, on 2012-July-04, 11:13, said:

Justin how does playing weak nt make it worse? If anything surely it makes it easier for partner to know what to do since some hand types are automatically discounted?

If you play a weak notrump then you raise 1H to 2H on 15-17 balanced with 4 card support. You can't also do it on 11 balanced with 3 card support!

I think it is just a bad bid to raise hearts on the given hard regardless. It's taking an idea way too far without thinking about where the hand is likely to play well. Even with a singleton in one of the black suits and the same red suits I would think 2D is absolutely clear.
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Posted 2012-July-05, 08:04

 lalldonn, on 2012-July-05, 07:46, said:

If you play a weak notrump then you raise 1H to 2H on 15-17 balanced with 4 card support. You can't also do it on 11 balanced with 3 card support!

I think it is just a bad bid to raise hearts on the given hard regardless. It's taking an idea way too far without thinking about where the hand is likely to play well. Even with a singleton in one of the black suits and the same red suits I would think 2D is absolutely clear.


I play a weak NT, and I rebid 2♥ with a minimum unbalanced hand. With a 15-17 balanced with 4 card support I would jump to 3♥. Maybe it depends which weak NT system you're playing.

Edit: I don't know what I was thinking - I don't ever have a 15-17 balanced with 4 card support here... I would have opened 1♥ (4 card major system). I jump to 3♥ with an unbalanced 15-17.

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Posted 2012-July-05, 08:38

 Quartic, on 2012-July-05, 08:04, said:

With a 15-17 balanced with 4 card support I would jump to 3♥. Maybe it depends which weak NT system you're playing.

15 opposite 6, playing 3♥ with an 8 card fit and a combined 21 count? Not a system I would choose.
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Posted 2012-July-05, 10:30

 Quartic, on 2012-July-05, 08:04, said:

I play a weak NT, and I rebid 2♥ with a minimum unbalanced hand. With a 15-17 balanced with 4 card support I would jump to 3♥. Maybe it depends which weak NT system you're playing.


This is very atypical for weak NTers and also IMO a terrible way to play. Getting to 3H with 15 or 16 just seems like a bad idea and also unneccessary.
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Posted 2012-July-05, 23:42

 lalldonn, on 2012-July-05, 07:46, said:

If you play a weak notrump then you raise 1H to 2H on 15-17 balanced with 4 card support. You can't also do it on 11 balanced with 3 card support!

If 11 balanced with 3-card support then you either opened 1NT, or didn't open.
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Posted 2012-July-06, 00:51

Except for the hand in this thread apparently?
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Posted 2012-July-06, 19:39

Thank you Phl32. BBO is an education for me.
Playing a weak notrump I would normally open a 4 card major but if you do hold a balanced 17 HCP, after the auction
1♦ - 1♥ -; ??
I wouldn't have imagined that so many good players would raise to 2♥ until I read all the the replies here
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