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The spades! Or the clubs?

#1 User is offline   Hanoi5 

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Posted 2012-April-19, 21:18

MP, all white, partner dealt and you hold:

QT7xxx
KT
J8
J86

1-1
2-???

What do you bid?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

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Posted 2012-April-19, 21:43

2s at mp.

option two is pass.
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Posted 2012-April-19, 22:09

easy pass. yes spades score more but even if partner has 2+ of them we would expect more tricks in clubs. if opps compete we can try 2 which after passing clearly offers a choice of black suit.
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Posted 2012-April-19, 23:52

2 (NF) absolutely. We want a major fit rather than a minor fit.
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Posted 2012-April-20, 01:06

pass. The biggest upside I see to 2 is it might keep them out of their red suit contract - I'm willing to bet we score better in clubs than spades on 70% of hands consistent with this bidding, and equal scoring on another 25% of hands.
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Posted 2012-April-20, 02:10

Pass

(2S the first round if playing weak jump shifts, but that has pre-emptive value that we've lost now)

p.s. historically, in this sequence 2S used to be played as quite a constructive call; compared to 1D-1S-2C-2S where it was just a weak hand with long spades.
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Posted 2012-April-20, 04:57

I'm tempted by 2S at MPs - maybe it makes 110 instead of 90. That spade suit is rather rubbish though.

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Posted 2012-April-20, 05:17

The main point of bidding 2 is not which partial is safer or scores more, but to keep opponents form finding their plus score.
Even if 2 goes down one or two, it might score quite well.
Expecting to be allowed to play in 2 peacefully at all white is a bit naive.

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Posted 2012-April-20, 05:43

Pass. Bidding 2S and expecting not to be doubled when it is wrong seems very naive to me.
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Posted 2012-April-20, 06:27

View Postthe hog, on 2012-April-20, 05:43, said:

Pass. Bidding 2S and expecting not to be doubled when it is wrong seems very naive to me.

I never said or implied I would stay in 2 doubled.
I implied that passing 2 is an open invitation to opponents, particularly at all white, to find their red suit fit.

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