[stansllee]

rhm, on 2012-April-13, 04:21, said:

And of course "the hog" is the final authority to decide who can and who can not

Rainer Herrmann

Hi Rainer,

"the hog" has been at the helm of BBO Discussion Forums for more than 9 years, and has gained an Excellent reputation for his skill in decide who's post is nonsense and which bid is idiotic. He was particularly well known to play good bridge by mouth. So we'd better not mess with him.

When I reveal all hands, "the hog" hd questioned immediately with his killing ♦ opening lead and ask me to play my 6♠, but only few second he took down his post and started to claim that 6♣ is actually a better contract....

Now Rainer, against "the hog" killing defense, would you please help me to find a line to bring the contract home with the real 4 hands as bellow, Cos in real life, when i play in 6♠ they lead a club to pick up the suit for me, my 13 tricks scoring is just trivial!

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The bidding contains an "idiotic" 2♠:

1♥ - 2♣
2♥ - 2♠
3♠ - 5♠
6♠

FYI, at the other table, my oppo did play in 6♣ exactly as per "the hog" suggest, and hd received the TRUMP lead! And still went one off for hundred dollars. Their bidding went:

1♥ - 2♣
2♥ - 3♦
3♠ - 6♣

Best Regards

Stan Lee

Sydney Australia

[Cyberyeti]

The line I proposed still works on the actual layout.

Q♦
♦AK
♣AK+ruff
♥A and ruff

and your last 4 tricks are ruffs with the Q, 10, K, A.

[stansllee]

Cyberyeti, on 2012-April-13, 06:31, said:

The line I proposed still works on the actual layout.

Q♦
♦AK
♣AK+ruff
♥A and ruff

and your last 4 tricks are ruffs with the Q, 10, K, A.

So even "the hog" raise up his ♠9, when you play your last ♦, trying trump-promotion, can only stop you to score the overtricks! That's might be the reason why he took down his post in a second, he is clever enough to work out the contract is cold in such a short time!

[han]

At the helm, I love it. I wrote a post involving somebody making a pig's ear of it and the rest stealing acorns from a pig, but I decided against it.

[the hog]

Stan, you really are a piece of work. You post a hand to show how clever you are; you lie about it by adding an extra knave - a crucial card in a cross ruff. You then claim 7 is an excellent contract. when it is not clear 6 is not cold. (As I said try it if the third D is ruffed). When your 2S master bid comes under almost universal criticism, you desperately try to defend yourself. The ONLY poster who liked 2S was Rainer, who is known for his idiosyncratic views. (Ok 2/1 agreed with 2S, but he plays it as a relay).

You still have not shown how you would find a 4-4 D fit if it existed. Perhaps in your limited world partner will always rebid 2D with 4, even with Kx AKQTxx xxxx x

Then you come out with this line:
" Cos in real life, when i play in 6♠ they lead a club to pick up the suit for me"
This is the mos fatuous comment I have read on BBO for some time. What are you going to do, turn to your opponent and say "Please lead the club"?
Despite the fact that you are from Sydney, (or perhaps because of it), it also appears that English is not your native language. I suggest you learn to read what I [posted. Some advice for you: take this hand the NSWBA and ask Klinger, Gill or Nagy for advice. Then sign up for some lessons;there are some very good teachers in NSW.

[the hog]

han, on 2012-April-13, 05:37, said:

I don't know the system, and even though I don't like 2S very much, I think that 3D is a far worse call. It simply takes up too much room. If partner rebids 3NT you know exactly nothing about his hand. I prefer 2NT (assuming that it is forcing in this system). With a hand as strong as the one given we should give partner as much room as possible, so I guess that's a good case for bidding 2S.

Hog, I've told you before, don't comment on play issues!

The op said 2/1 is almost gf, so the assumption is that 2NT is now nf. Given that do you still prefer 2S to 3D? You will NEVER find a 4-4 D fit if you have one. The convoluted logic of the op seems to suggest that he would always bid 2D over 2C with a 4 card D suit. There are many hands with good Hs and poor ♦s where you would not do this, of course.

[MrAce]

Hog, bro why do you insist on with this attitude ? You are calling the guy names and all. You said your opinion so did he, why do you have to be this way ? Bro, I mean you are a veteran poster in BBF by now and you should know better than this already imo.

And you have double standarts too. You called names to Justin in the past (Jlackoflogic for example) but now you upvote and applause his posts. What is this guy supposed to do ? To win USA team trials or play in Bermuda Bowl to gain your respect ? Why can't you show him at least the minimum level of respect that everyone deserves ?

If Justin or Fred or Gnasher said that they would bid 2♠ with this hand, you wouldn't tell them any of the things you did for this guy, would you ?

Not only to him, but to those who agrees him too !

the hog, on 2012-April-13, 17:44, said:

The ONLY poster who liked 2S was Rainer, who is known for his idiosyncratic views.

[lalldonn]

Even though there is no reason to be so rude about it, he is right that there are a lot of players on BBO who can't bid. I even met one once who thought 1♣ p 1♥ p, 1♠ p 4♣ was natural!

[lalldonn]

As for the original hand, I don't particularly understand 2♠ myself. If 2NT is forcing it seems obvious. If not then I'm much more comfortable bidding out my shape with 3♦, especially with good suits in a good hand. I don't understand the worry of partner bidding 3NT over this. We can just bid 5NT and play either 6♣ or 6NT, or 6♠ if you think that might be a good contract (or if we open so light that we think it's right, we can invite slam with 4NT instead). Bidding 2♠ seems to add unnecessary complications, since we might belong in diamonds and we might have to escape from spades after partner raises.

[han]

I never play this system or bid 2S on 3-card suits here, but if 2NT is non-forcing and 3C is non-forcing, I guess you'd have to fake a 2S bid sometimes. For example with AQx Qx xx AQJxxx you'd pretty much have to bid 2S. If partner knows that 2S is sometimes not a real suit, it's not such a big lie on this hand.

3D often forces partner to make a non-descript bid such as 3S or 3NT. With a hand as strong as ours, I think we should give partner the room to describe his hand, so given the system I like 2S better than 3D. Bidding 3D in case partner has somehow chosen to hide a 4-card diamond suit seems a pretty small target.

Again, I would prefer to bid 2NT forcing, but I believe you if you say that in "2/1 almost GF" this is not an option.

[lalldonn]

Well it's true, if 2♠ doesn't really show spades, and 3♦ doesn't really show diamonds (both of which are probably true if 3♣ and 2NT aren't forcing) then 2♠ seems fine. I was thinking in terms of describing my hand, not letting partner describe his. I bid my longest suit, then my next longest suit, then I show my strength and partner can choose the right contract. However, describing my hand is apparantly impossible.

I hope to never pick up xx xx xx AKQJxxx playing this system.

[y66]

On the topic of communicating, I thought Rainer meant he liked 2S by West (assuming East holds ♠ AJT) when he said

rhm, on 2012-April-12, 03:56, said:

1♥-2♣
2♠-3♠
4NT-5♠
5NT-6♠ (no ♣Q, no red suit king)
Pass

I like 2♠ (assuming East holds ♠AJT), but then I like creative thinkers at this game.

Rainer Herrmann

[twoshy]

y66, on 2012-April-14, 15:14, said:

On the topic of communicating, I thought Rainer meant he liked 2S by West (assuming East holds ♠ AJT) when he said

Na, Rainer's intended auction included the 2♥ rebid with 2♠ by responder. Just verify it based on who is asking for key cards

[the hog]

lalldonn, on 2012-April-14, 13:38, said:

Even though there is no reason to be so rude about it, he is right that there are a lot of players on BBO who can't bid. I even met one once who thought 1♣ p 1♥ p, 1♠ p 4♣ was natural!

Not only natural, but setting the suit slammish. Yes I know many people who are fine players who play this.

[the hog]

MrAce, on 2012-April-14, 13:11, said:

Hog, bro why do you insist on with this attitude ? You are calling the guy names and all. You said your opinion so did he, why do you have to be this way ? Bro, I mean you are a veteran poster in BBF by now and you should know better than this already imo.

And you have double standarts too. You called names to Justin in the past (Jlackoflogic for example) but now you upvote and applause his posts. What is this guy supposed to do ? To win USA team trials or play in Bermuda Bowl to gain your respect ? Why can't you show him at least the minimum level of respect that everyone deserves ?

If Justin or Fred or Gnasher said that they would bid 2♠ with this hand, you wouldn't tell them any of the things you did for this guy, would you ?

Not only to him, but to those who agrees him too !

Moi upvote J Lall's posts? Never! Anyway, I don't think any of fred, Andy or Justin would lie about a hand. I also think their discussion would be reasoned, not along the lines of look at my wonder bid and how smart I am.

Look at Rainer's, posts he is idiosyncratic. I am not being nasty here, you do know what this word means?

[the hog]

MrAce, on 2012-April-14, 13:11, said:

Hog, bro why do you insist on with this attitude ? You are calling the guy names and all. You said your opinion so did he, why do you have to be this way ? Bro, I mean you are a veteran poster in BBF by now and you should know better than this already imo.

And you have double standarts too. You called names to Justin in the past (Jlackoflogic for example) but now you upvote and applause his posts. What is this guy supposed to do ? To win USA team trials or play in Bermuda Bowl to gain your respect ? Why can't you show him at least the minimum level of respect that everyone deserves ?

If Justin or Fred or Gnasher said that they would bid 2♠ with this hand, you wouldn't tell them any of the things you did for this guy, would you ?

Not only to him, but to those who agrees him too !

Moi upvote J Lall's posts? Never! Anyway, I don't think any of fred, Andy or Justin would lie about a hand. I also think their discussion would be reasoned, not along the lines of look at my wonder bid and how smart I am.

Look at Rainer's, posts he is idiosyncratic. I am not being nasty here, you do know what this word means?

[Nabooba]

the hog, on 2012-April-14, 18:19, said:

Not only natural, but setting the suit slammish. Yes I know many people who are fine players who play this.

I play this and this is standard here. I assume you intend this as a splinter. As opener will often have values in the suit opened, this approach seems sub optimal to say the least. Anyway this is hijacking a thread.

[stansllee]

the hog, on 2012-April-09, 21:25, said:

What would i do as East? Pretend i had an overseas phone call and excuse myself from the table. What idiocy prompted my 2S bid?

A telephone call, preferably from a nearby hospital.

[Nabooba]

Others also feel the 2S bid was a bad misbid, op.

[stansllee]

Nabooba, on 2012-April-15, 17:52, said:

Others also feel the 2S bid was a bad misbid, op.

Obviously, in your world "bad" is also a "idiocy" synonyms?