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#1 User is offline   dwar0123 

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Posted 2012-March-16, 15:36

2/1 imps


What is the correct bid?

I bid 4♥, feeling to weak in highcard points to splinter and to distributional to settle for anything less then 4♥.
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Posted 2012-March-17, 02:29

I'd bid 4♥ as well
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Posted 2012-March-17, 03:47

Agree with 4♥ and your reasons to bid it
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Posted 2012-March-17, 05:20

bid what you have 4♥ ( or 7♦ :))
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Posted 2012-March-17, 20:53

I would have tried 4d, not perfect.


6d4h big hand.


I think a 7-1 fit may play better than 44 h
again far from perfect.
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Posted 2012-March-17, 21:20

View Postmike777, on 2012-March-17, 20:53, said:

I would have tried 4d, not perfect.


6d4h big hand.


I think a 7-1 fit may play better than 44 h
again far from perfect.

good answer, for a different reason, IMO. The reason we want to bring in, as best we can, the distribution that we have is so that partner can participate when (if) there is more opposing competition.

If 4D is non-serious with 4-6+ in the reds, it might accomplish that goal. If partner is in the dark when we jump to 4H instead as to our strength and shape, neither of us will have a clue what to do next.
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Posted 2012-March-17, 21:43

I think 4d is pretty serious for me in an old sense of the bid.
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Posted 2012-March-17, 22:54

While I agree that Ds might play better, 4D for me is out of the question. A 4D bid with my partners shows 6-7 solid Ds and 4 card support for partner. You don't have that; funny, I thought that was standard for good pairs.
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Posted 2012-March-17, 23:30

View Postthe hog, on 2012-March-17, 22:54, said:

While I agree that Ds might play better, 4D for me is out of the question. A 4D bid with my partners shows 6-7 solid Ds and 4 card support for partner. You don't have that; funny, I thought that was standard for good pairs.

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A typical hand for a 4♦ bid would be:

Ax
QJxx
AKQJxx
x
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Posted 2012-March-17, 23:32

did I say not perfect?....and I understand if you hate it.

If you have a perfect bid posters did not say I note......:)

I think we all know what a perfect 4d bid looks like and this aint it.
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Posted 2012-March-18, 09:33

View Postmike777, on 2012-March-17, 23:32, said:

did I say not perfect?....and I understand if you hate it.

If you have a perfect bid posters did not say I note......:)

I think we all know what a perfect 4d bid looks like and this aint it.

Sorry, Mike. Perfect was not even in the discussion. It does not even resemble what a 4♦ bid should look like.

A 4♦ bid is a slam try. This hand is not a slam try. Some wouldn't bid game on it.
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Posted 2012-March-18, 14:59

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Posted 2012-March-18, 17:31

I would drive this hand to game in hearts, but having decided to do so, I would bid 2♠. I might learn more and be able to try for slam (♥AKxxxx and a stiff diamond is plenty for slam). They're at unfavorable so there's no need to make a pressure call now.
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Posted 2012-March-18, 20:54

View PostArtK78, on 2012-March-18, 09:33, said:

Sorry, Mike. Perfect was not even in the discussion. It does not even resemble what a 4♦ bid should look like.

A 4♦ bid is a slam try. This hand is not a slam try. Some wouldn't bid game on it.

Doesn't the overcall make some difference?
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Posted 2012-March-18, 21:13

View PostStatto, on 2012-March-18, 20:54, said:

Doesn't the overcall make some difference?

To some of us, it does. We are preparing partner to make the further decisions for our side if there is more competition.

Some of us don't use 4D as a slam-try anyway, and forgo the splinter in clubs to use 4C as a red 4-6 slam try. This (the original treatment of the convention with no name) is useful for us. In competition, we really want to emphasize pattern and will stretch suit quality of 4D to do so.
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Posted 2012-March-18, 21:19

View Postxcurt, on 2012-March-18, 17:31, said:

I would drive this hand to game in hearts, but having decided to do so, I would bid 2♠. I might learn more and be able to try for slam (♥AKxxxx and a stiff diamond is plenty for slam). They're at unfavorable so there's no need to make a pressure call now.


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We are going to game and there is no rush or cost to involving partner. The 1♠ bidder could have such good clubs (and not such good spades) that we might make a grand, not that we can bid it.
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Posted 2012-March-19, 11:18

View PostBunnyGo, on 2012-March-17, 05:20, said:

bid what you have 4♥ ( or 7♦ :))

But you have ignored the other "bid what you have" option. I'm glad to see not everyone does....

View Postxcurt, on 2012-March-18, 17:31, said:

... I would bid 2♠...

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Posted 2012-March-19, 22:53

Put me down for 4♦, west hasn't bid yet and when it goes 2♠ from me and 4♠from west partner has no way of working out where we should be.

If I get 4♦ in then he is better placed to decide the right spot, yes I have 1 more ♦ and no ♣ but hey at least he now knows that at least 10 of my cards are red.
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Posted 2012-March-28, 02:03

my considered bid would be 3 hts--- assuming pards 1 ht can be only a 4 card suit,
more importantly how many points to respond 1 ht.- 6 Plus.next opp will
or will not bid,giving your partner a free nod-assuming 4 hts bid-if the 1sp
bidder now bids again--- X or 5hts in order. QED
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