[Mbodell]

MP, good field, w/R, your call

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[MrAce]

I would pass, its mp and pd can bid 3♠ with a lot of hands where his ♠ is self sufficient and not enough power to to make another strong bid.

KQJTxx
Axx
x
QJx

KQJTxx
Kx
x
Axxx

for example, and i think these are the max for this bid or he could DBL with more or bid game himself. Eventhough we may have a play in 4♠, the fact that this is mp justifies passing imo. Note that some people would already bid game with those holdings. Pd may have weaker hands than this where 3♠ would be a great place to play regardless of we make or not.

For example i would bid 3♠ with

KQJTxx
Qx
x
Axxx

[mr1303]

Pass looks fairly clear to me, we know partner has a singleton or void diamond, and as a result he will want to bid on any excuse. I have nothing extra for my bidding so far anyway.

[FrancesHinden]

Sorry I misread the auction, I can't undo my vote, I didn't see the 3D bid.
I would pass.

[Mbodell]

Interesting. I, like most people, thought this had a clear answer, but we have 7 choices for 4♠ (not counting Frances's misvote) and 8 choices for pass (counting Frances's corrected vote). I wonder what people think is the worst, average, and best hands that partner could hold for this auction?

[JLOGIC]

Easiest pass ever. We made a neg X at the 2 level, if like 1.5 jacks more than a complete min is enough to bid game then... lol.

[JLOGIC]

Mbodell, on 2012-February-27, 01:15, said:

Interesting. I, like most people, thought this had a clear answer, but we have 7 choices for 4♠ (not counting Frances's misvote) and 8 choices for pass (counting Frances's corrected vote). I wonder what people think is the worst, average, and best hands that partner could hold for this auction?

Partner is under pressure if he has short diamonds since we are almost never going to balance with length. If he has a very good suit I imagine he will bid with most hands that have a stiff diamond esp white at MP. If his suit isn't great he will pass wtih very minimum hands that are 6313 but with something a little more than minimum I imagine he will X or bid 3S.

Timo gave examples of KQJTxx and a stiff diamond, I cannot imagine partner ever passing with that. Maybe depending on your weak 2 style he would open a lot of those 2S in third seat but I would bid with KQJTxx Qxx x Axx all day and can't imagine passing.

Partner's max is probably a bit less than he would need to bid 1S p 1N p 3S or something, perhaps adjusting for a stiff diamond being known as good.

Constructing hands seems pretty pointless/moot though given that our hand is completely unexceptional for our auction so far so we just pass.

[P_Marlowe]

4S, wtp.

The question is how much did the X promise, ok I have 2 jacks, i.e. point count
needs to be devalued, but I am certainly max for the bid.
Partner was not asked to speak, he did freely.

And I am bidding game, I prefer to go down in a worthy cause.

I think playing MP, passing 3S is ok, not my cup of coffee, but ok.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Cyberyeti]

I think on balance pass is right, but if partner has KQJxxx, xx, x, AQJx I'm wrong. I'm not that maximum in point count, but my points are likely to be in pretty good places.

[Fluffy]

P_Marlowe, on 2012-February-27, 02:56, said:

but I am certainly max for the bid.

I wonder if this is a max what would you call say...

♠Kx
♥AQxx
♦Axx
♣AKxx

[Fluffy]

I don´t find as strong opinion as others, we have a minimum, but we also know we have Jxxx opposite shortness, this means all we have is wonderful, but then we only have 2 bullets.

All in all I think game will only make if ♥J becomes a useful card, I find it against odds so I would pass.

[gnasher]

Fluffy, on 2012-February-27, 07:23, said:

I wonder if this is a max what would you call say...

♠Kx
♥AQxx
♦Axx
♣AKxx

I'd call it an opening hand.

[Codo]

I had opened most hands with 2 ♠ in third seat which has good and long enough spades to bid 3 spade now and are too weak to give us game prospects.
So Timos hand would be the absolute minimum for a 3 ♠ rebid now. He is allowed to hold KQJxxx,AT9,x, QJx too....

What is the actual wisdom, what should partner do with KQxxxxx,Ax,x, AQx? Jump to 4 ♠?

[gnasher]

Codo, on 2012-February-27, 08:31, said:

I had opened most hands with 2 ♠ in third seat which has good and long enough spades to bid 3 spade now and are too weak to give us game prospects.
So Timos hand would be the absolute minimum for a 3 ♠ rebid now. He is allowed to hold KQJxxx,AT9,x, QJx too....

Yes, a few spot cards can make a big difference. But you've given partner a fitting 10 and a fitting 9, which is a bit much to hope for.

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What is the actual wisdom, what should partner do with KQxxxxx,Ax,x, AQx? Jump to 4 ♠?

Yes, he should bid 4♠ with that. When we reduce the lower limit for for an action to allow for competition, we have to reduce the higher limit too.

This occurs in lots of competitive auctions. For example, after 1♠ (3♦) you have to be able to compete to 3♠ on a 4432 6-count, so with a real 3♠ bid you should jump to game.

[Zelandakh]

This is to some extent a matter of system. Playing standard 3♠ can be pretty weak so pass is obvious. However, it is possible to play that double followed by 3♠ (if partner bids 3♥) shows this hand and that a direct 3♠ shows a better hand. Playing this way we can afford to raise the direct 3♠ bid.