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Posted 2012-February-10, 18:47
pass = values
Have you done enough?
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Posted 2012-February-10, 19:31
jillybean, on 2012-February-10, 18:47, said:
pass = values
Have you done enough?
No
I am not stopping in game with 9 count +fit vs a 2♣ opener. I almost have a 3 card limit raise (i wouldnt but most people do) if pd opened 1♥ and it will be too pessimistic to pass 4♥ now imo.
I have seen similar auctions so many times, south thinking he has done enough by cueing, North thinking he already opened 2 ♣ and he has nothing extra, both satisfied with their bids playing a slam or grandslam hand in game. Unless of course if pd is known to open 2♣ agressiveley. But even then there is a reason why he choosed to open 2♣, and that reason is he valued his hand more than opening 1.
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Posted 2012-February-10, 19:50
What do you bid, 4♠ ?
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Posted 2012-February-10, 20:25
Interesting auction; does 3♠ promise heart support or can it be a probe for 3NT? Is 3♥/4♥ stronger than a direct 4♥?
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Posted 2012-February-10, 20:55
passing would be a crime even in the BaIBy forum.
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Posted 2012-February-10, 20:56
3♠ is showing heart support but I expect partner to bid 3N with a ♠ stopper.
3♥ is showing a 5+ ♥ suit, I'm not sure 4♥ exists in this auction.
(this is a new partnership so we don't have detailed agreements for these sequences)
3♥ is showing a 5+ ♥ suit, I'm not sure 4♥ exists in this auction.
(this is a new partnership so we don't have detailed agreements for these sequences)
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Posted 2012-February-10, 21:42
edit: nm, I think I misread jb's post.
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Posted 2012-February-10, 21:49
Definitely keep bidding. I'd like to see a poll on what people think of 4S, 4NT, 5C and 5H as possible bids now...
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Posted 2012-February-10, 22:27
Gnarly and undiscussed in my partnership. I would bid 4♠ and hope for the best.
If pard bids 4nt I'm bidding 5♣. That wasn't blackwood was it?
If they bid 5♣ I'll try 5♥
If they bid 5♦ I didn't go this far not to bid slam.
I have my apologies ready.
If pard bids 4nt I'm bidding 5♣. That wasn't blackwood was it?
If they bid 5♣ I'll try 5♥
If they bid 5♦ I didn't go this far not to bid slam.
I have my apologies ready.
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Posted 2012-February-10, 22:49
Partner didn't cue over 3♠ and you are all still pushing on?
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Posted 2012-February-10, 23:28
jillybean, on 2012-February-10, 22:49, said:
Partner didn't cue over 3♠ and you are all still pushing on?
Pd can not have a hand that has no cue available btw. He couldnt even bid 3NT over 3♠, try to place 22 hcp in 3 suits. I am not even sure if 3♠ neccesarilly promised ♥ fit so i am actually expecting a good ♥ suit from pd.
3♠ bidder can have a strong hand with or without ♠ stopper and no ♥ fit, yet too strong to just bid 3NT.
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what was responder supposed to bid with this ? He would pass because it is w/w and he is happy to play 2♠ doubled if pd doubles, and he will cue over 3♥ since he is too strong to bid 3 NT.
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What was he supposed to bid over 3♥ with this ?
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Posted 2012-February-11, 00:35
jillybean, on 2012-February-10, 22:49, said:
Partner didn't cue over 3♠ and you are all still pushing on?
Yes. We will discuss what a 2C opening bid looks like, if we are not safe at at least the 5-level. 4S seems right at the moment, since I am not sure I have really shown the Ace yet.
Pass=values over 2S could have been a whole lot less than what I have.
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Posted 2012-February-11, 02:07
aguahombre, on 2012-February-11, 00:35, said:
Pass=values over 2S could have been a whole lot less than what I have.
Yes, basically it should be any hand better than 2nd negative imo.
"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
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Posted 2012-February-11, 07:33
I wish I had spent some more time thinking this at the table. Partner actually forgot pass=values and thought I was showing negative but I could still have saved it.
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