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Poll: two hands (17 member(s) have cast votes)

P, 1C, or 3C?

  1. P (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 1C (4 votes [23.53%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.53%

  3. 3C (1 votes [5.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

  4. 3N (12 votes [70.59%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 70.59%

P, dbl, 3D, 3H?

  1. P (7 votes [41.18%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 41.18%

  2. dbl (2 votes [11.76%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.76%

  3. 3D (4 votes [23.53%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.53%

  4. 3H (4 votes [23.53%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.53%

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#1 User is offline   straube 

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Posted 2011-December-16, 11:33

matchpoints for both

All red, 1st seat

xx xx xx AKQJxxx

P, 1C or 3C?


All white

x AKQxxx A9xx xx

(1D) 1H (1S) P
(1N) 2H (2S) P

P, dbl, 3D, 3H? (I don't think partner would read 2N as a side 4-cd minor)

I think pass is right on this last hand, but sometimes one gets away with down 2 undoubled.
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Posted 2011-December-16, 11:38

Perhaps consider adding 3NT (gambling) or 4C to the first poll? It's the wrong number of tricks for 3C at equal vul for me... my preference would be either of those > pass > 1C > 3C.

On the second I am trying 3H, but it could certainly be wrong. (More likely because we are missing 300 in 2Sx than because 3H goes too far down.)
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Posted 2011-December-16, 11:45

ok, I added that. I really spaced it. Personally I hate 3N gambling because it wrong-sides the hand, but it is on our card.
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Posted 2011-December-16, 17:46

second one I won't pass all white MPs, I try 3♦ with a partner who knows 6-1 is better than 4-3, with a lesser one 3♥ better.


About first anything could work, whatever you feel like, 1♣ is my preference against unknown (bad) opponents.
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Posted 2011-December-17, 07:04

If you do not open Hand 1 with a Gambling 3NT then there is no point in having it on your card. I am not a fan of the convention either but if I have agreed it with partner then this is the hand I am bidding it on. On Hand 2 there is something to be said for 3H the previous round if we are bidding again now.
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Posted 2011-December-17, 12:08

View PostZelandakh, on 2011-December-17, 07:04, said:

If you do not open Hand 1 with a Gambling 3NT then there is no point in having it on your card. I am not a fan of the convention either but if I have agreed it with partner then this is the hand I am bidding it on.


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Posted 2011-December-17, 18:08

You might consider that, game-all at matchpoints, x xx xxx AKQJxxx is a 3NT opening but xx xx xx AKQJxxx is not. With 222 in the side suits, there's less reason to preempt.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-December-17, 18:51

View Postgnasher, on 2011-December-17, 18:08, said:

You might consider that, game-all at matchpoints, x xx xxx AKQJxxx is a 3NT opening but xx xx xx AKQJxxx is not. With 222 in the side suits, there's less reason to preempt.


Yeah, you know 3N didn't even occur to me. Had I'd thought of it, I don't think I'd have bid it. x xx xxx AKQJxxx would be better. Partner thinks I should pass the hand, but that can pose other problems. I pretty much don't like gambling 3N. My regular partner has suggested it show a NAMYATs strength unspecified major and that makes a lot more sense to me.
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Posted 2011-December-18, 05:22

1. Gambling 3NT. Lacking that, 3C is more descriptive, I think.

2. Pass. Stuff seems to be breaking badly.
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