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Posted 2011-December-16, 17:21



How would you bid this 2 loser hand after a 3♣ opening? I intended my (undiscussed) 4NT as unusual, showing a strong hand with diamonds and hearts. My partner thought it was blackwood, so showed his 2 aces with 5♥, which I almost passed.
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Posted 2011-December-16, 19:17

Tough one. I could say that 4C would have obviously been Gerber, but some have not read the recent thread ;)
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Posted 2011-December-16, 22:48

Partner has two aces and we just bid 6? Shouldn't he move on?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2011-December-17, 02:44

View Postaguahombre, on 2011-December-16, 19:17, said:

Tough one. I could say that 4C would have obviously been Gerber, but some have not read the recent thread ;)

LOL, you mean it as a joke, but when his partner interprets 4NT as Blacky, then he might actually interpret 4♣ as G*****...

What would 4♣, 5♣, 5NT,... mean to your partner?
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Posted 2011-December-17, 10:08

View PostHanoi5, on 2011-December-16, 22:48, said:

Partner has two aces and we just bid 6? Shouldn't he move on?

If that is true, why didn't he just bid 7NT over 4NT? ;)

View PostFree, on 2011-December-17, 02:44, said:

LOL, you mean it as a joke, but when his partner interprets 4NT as Blacky, then he might actually interpret 4♣ as G*****...

What would 4♣, 5♣, 5NT,... mean to your partner?

4C=majors
5C=good question.
5N=good question.

Looks like your post asked me what those bids would mean to my partner, but sorry. If I thought I had a good solution to OP's situation I would have done more than just make jokes.

Edit: actually, after looking at the OP hand which will come up again after I have passed from this world, I thought about extending super-Gerber so an immediate 5C would apply in this situation, but nah.
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Posted 2011-December-17, 11:15

Although I think 4NT should be Ace-asking, let's say you have a "Leaping Michaels" system over 3-level preempts....
such as 4H! = this major and the other minor ( ♦ ).
Now partner may just go RKC since he has a fit and 2 bullets.

If he then thought his hand was good enough to ask for the ♥ Q , you might assume it guaranteed all the other key cards which would make it easy to bid 7NT.
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Posted 2011-December-18, 05:00

Funnily enough, this hand was still a top for us - 3 pairs bid 4♥, one defended 5♣x, and the other stopped in 3♥. But I'd have liked to be able to bid it with rather less guesswork!
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Posted 2011-December-18, 05:03

I guess you could mutter a raise of 6 to 7, but after a pree caution usually pays.
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