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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2011-November-30, 03:47

♠AQ9xx
♥Qxx
♦Kx
♣9xx


MPs, opps vul, south deals

pass-(1♥)-X-(pass)
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You might had opened the hand, but assume you didn´t. What do you bid now?

If you try 2♥...

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Posted 2011-November-30, 03:49

When did han get a boss suit? I've never seen him in any suit, let alone a boss one. And what's with the 80s slang?

I'll just bid 2♠.
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Posted 2011-November-30, 03:52

I'll bid 2♠ directly. If I bid 2♥ and partner did what he did I'd pass. In both situations I'll bid 3♠ if the opponents push us there.
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Posted 2011-November-30, 04:55

3♠. Because I can.
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Posted 2011-November-30, 05:16

3♠. Because it shows what I have (strong invite with 5♠).
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Posted 2011-November-30, 05:25

2♥ was my first thought and pass after partner bids. Will compete to 3 if the opponents act. if I had xxx♥ and Qxx♣ i'd bid 3 over partners bid.
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Posted 2011-November-30, 05:31

2♥ has the huge disadvantage that it wrongsides spades if partner has four of them.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-November-30, 05:52

Can we skip these wrongsiding issues pls? They're really tertiary.

Anyway the hand is clearly worth 3S.
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Posted 2011-November-30, 09:57

View Postwhereagles, on 2011-November-30, 05:52, said:

Can we skip these wrongsiding issues pls?

No, we can't. Well, you can skip them if you like, but I'm not going to.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-November-30, 10:38

I think 2♠ is enough.
The fact that ♥s were not raised makes it unlikely that partner has a singleton or void in ♥.
If partner bids again over 2♠, but below 3NT, I will suggest 3NT next even if he raises ♠s.
I would not open this hand in first seat.

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Posted 2011-November-30, 11:09

I think it close between 2♠ and 2♥. I think 2♠ would be too much of an underbid at imps, but this is mps.

I can't bid 3♠ in my methods, and I don't miss it.

I accept that there are a few holdings on which playing spades from our side gains us a tempo, but this won't happen enough to worry me too much. Last time I discussed takeout doubles with partner, we sort of agreed that it usually implied shortness in their suit :P

Yes, Ax is shortness and, yes, if opener chose to lead from his K against my spade contract, I'd save a trick....and, yes, I know that isn't the only layout that matters, but rightsiding is still probably irrelevant on this auction.

As for what to do: if I cuebid, I cannot pass 2♠. What is partner supposed to do with a good but not huge takeout double and Kxxx in spades? Bid 3♠? Cue 3♥?

No...3♠ would show a hand and suit too good to overcall, and 3♥ would be a BIG hand. Edit: I don't mean it has to be a slam try, tho slam tries would be included.....a 15 count 4144 would be a 3♥ call for me...but we don't need him to have that good a hand to have a decent game.

We have to raise to 3♠, non-forcing.

Bear in mind that if we think the hand too good for 2♠, cuebidding and passing is weird....it is far worse than bidding 2♠ because you have given partner zero chance to evaluate.

I would bid 2♥ then 3♠, but I wouldn't quarrel much with 2♠ given the conditions of contest.
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Posted 2011-November-30, 11:19

View Postwhereagles, on 2011-November-30, 05:52, said:

Anyway the hand is clearly worth 3S.

I agree. And Eagle's answer is consistent with his reply to my recent post with about the same auction ( http://www.bridgebas...mp-in-new-suit/ ) .

View Postwhereagles, on 2011-November-28, 06:08, said:

1S = 0-7 and 4 spades, 0-4 and 5 spades
2S = 8-10 and 4 spades, 5-7 and 5 spades
3S = 8-10 and 5 spades, 5-7 and 6 spades (with 4 spades and 11+ you bid 2H)
4S = 10-12 and 5 spades, 8-10 and 6 spades .

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Posted 2011-November-30, 14:30

View PostBunnyGo, on 2011-November-30, 03:49, said:

And what's with the 80s slang?

A Hugo Boss suit.

3♠.
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Posted 2011-December-01, 00:36

2♠ for me.(3 is not available, i play it 6 cards very weak hand)
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Posted 2011-December-01, 11:26

View Postgnasher, on 2011-November-30, 09:57, said:

No, we can't. Well, you can skip them if you like, but I'm not going to.


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Posted 2011-December-01, 20:01

+170 brings 13/14 MPs when opponent fails to unblock clubs in time, so no need to get to game.

Partner had

♠K10xx
♥Kx
♦Qxx
♣A10xx
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Posted 2011-December-01, 21:28

View PostFluffy, on 2011-December-01, 20:01, said:

+170 brings 13/14 MPs when opponent fails to unblock clubs in time, so no need to get to game.

Partner had

♠K10xx
♥Kx
♦Qxx
♣A10xx


How did your auction go? Did you bid 2♥ or bid/jump in spades?
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Posted 2011-December-01, 22:57

Would anyone consider opening in first seat? I'd probably open (not playing precision, but in an environment where aggressive bidding is frequent from even LOLs).
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Posted 2011-December-02, 02:07

View PostCthulhu D, on 2011-December-01, 22:57, said:

Would anyone consider opening in first seat? I'd probably open (not playing precision, but in an environment where aggressive bidding is frequent from even LOLs).


I'd happily open playing a strong club system, and/or playing a mini-nt, and/or playing a semi-forcing nt. But playing normal 2/1 or SA I'd pass in first seat.
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Posted 2011-December-02, 03:38

View PostCthulhu D, on 2011-December-01, 22:57, said:

Would anyone consider opening in first seat? I'd probably open (not playing precision, but in an environment where aggressive bidding is frequent from even LOLs).

Me too. It is slightly pushing it but we have spades NV at MP.
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