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#1 User is offline   Phil 

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Posted 2011-December-11, 05:04

Can't sleep so though I'd post a couple of hands from our holiday party / STAC today;

All MPs - mixed field

Xx AK9xx xx Q8xx

LHO 3♦ pard x's, RHO passes and you bid 4♥. Pard now bids 4♠. Now?
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Posted 2011-December-11, 09:04

I would bid 5♠.
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Posted 2011-December-11, 09:19

View PostPhil, on 2011-December-11, 05:04, said:

Can't sleep so though I'd post a couple of hands from our holiday party / STAC today;

All MPs - mixed field

Xx AK9xx xx Q8xx

LHO 3♦ pard x's, RHO passes and you bid 4♥. Pard now bids 4♠. Now?

I'd bid 5♥. One of us is making a cue in support of the other. I will find out at the end of the hand which it was.
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Posted 2011-December-11, 09:34

View PostEricK, on 2011-December-11, 09:19, said:

I'd bid 5♥. One of us is making a cue in support of the other. I will find out at the end of the hand which it was.

In your auction, I would interpret both 4♠ and 5♥ as natural.
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Posted 2011-December-11, 09:41

View PostPhil, on 2011-December-11, 05:04, said:

All MPs - mixed field

Regardless of the gender of the participants, we have the agreement from years of confusion that 4S cannot be first-cue in this situation and that it is placing the contract. The doubler is taking the (limited) strength of the 4H advance into consideration already. In order to move for slam in either hearts or spades, she must do something else other than bid 4S.

BTW, South does not have more than expected. Doubler starts out assuming a six or seven count, and has found out South has a bit more.
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Posted 2011-December-11, 09:43

Now 5C. I don't really see what pard has, but I think 5C can't generate trouble.
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Posted 2011-December-11, 09:56

View Postcherdano, on 2011-December-11, 09:34, said:

In your auction, I would interpret both 4♠ and 5♥ as natural.

What's the difference between an immediate 4♠, and X followed by 4♠?
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Posted 2011-December-11, 10:43

View PostEricK, on 2011-December-11, 09:56, said:

What's the difference between an immediate 4♠, and X followed by 4♠?

The answer to that depends on whether you would jump to 4S with a strong hand, but only six of the suit. (AKJXXX QX KX AJX)
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Posted 2011-December-11, 11:06

View PostEricK, on 2011-December-11, 09:56, said:

What's the difference between an immediate 4♠, and X followed by 4♠?


This is the crux of the problem. I think you can toss out a cross section of hands that pass 4♥ too.

I would guess partner's hand doesnt have a 7th spade. I would suspect partner has more controls and more suitability for other strains instead of a hand that is just spade heavy. This would seem to bring clubs into the picture, but the auction warns of bad breaks; can we handle a 44 club fit? Even the ♣J seems to be a crucial card. I guessed 6214 / 6223 or less likely 6124.

To me this boils down to finding the right strain and the right level. Plus it's match points, so playing 5♣ is out.
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Posted 2011-December-11, 11:33

View PostEricK, on 2011-December-11, 09:56, said:

What's the difference between an immediate 4♠, and X followed by 4♠?

X then 4♠ shows suitability for other strains. That's exactly why 5♥ is useful as natural, and 4♠
is not setting trumps.
But since it could have 6=3 or 6=2 in the majors, whereas our 4♥ could be based on 3=5 (or even 4=5) in the majors,
it doesn't make sense for 4♥ to set trumps either.

After an immediate 4♠, 5♥ would be a cue (of course).
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Posted 2011-December-11, 13:33

I am definitely bidding 5♣. Can't partner have something like AKQxx xx x AKJxx? Partner also knows it is matchpoints and could have bid 4♠ directly on hands where that is right.
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Posted 2011-December-11, 18:57

FWIW I would pass 4S
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Posted 2011-December-12, 10:15

I don´t think I have any extras, my only concern is if partner is cuebidding, I think he is not and really has spades so I pass.
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Posted 2011-December-12, 11:08

Partner held AKJTxx xx x AKJx (I think; I've tossed the records). Spades were Qxxx offside. 6♣ makes with careful play (the preemptor was 1372) as I recall).
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Posted 2011-December-13, 01:25

Seems like an easy 4S overcall, no? :)
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Posted 2011-December-13, 04:13

View Postwhereagles, on 2011-December-13, 01:25, said:

Seems like an easy 4S overcall, no? :)


Seriously. AKJTxx is not a flexible holding.
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Posted 2011-December-13, 06:54

IMO 4S should suggest a pretty good 5134/5125 even if you do play NLM. Doubling rather than an unilateral 3S/4C(NLM) allow you to play 3NT/3Dx. With 6 spades its always 3s or 4S for me.
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Posted 2011-December-13, 09:22

View PostJLOGIC, on 2011-December-13, 04:13, said:

Seriously. AKJTxx is not a flexible holding.


True - now I'm wondering if partner misbid, or if I had the hand wrong.

edit: I did - AKTxxx x KT AKTx.
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