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T3: ♦ 7 A 2 ♥ 5
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What is the best line of play to make 3NT?
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Best Line of Play to make 3NT
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Posted 2011-November-02, 22:02
Opening Lead: ♦ 5 by North
T1: ♦ 5 3 K 4
T2: ♦ 9 J Q 6
T3: ♦ 7 A 2 ♥ 5
T4? Take it over from here:
What is the best line of play to make 3NT?
T1: ♦ 5 3 K 4
T2: ♦ 9 J Q 6
T3: ♦ 7 A 2 ♥ 5
T4? Take it over from here:
What is the best line of play to make 3NT?
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Posted 2011-November-03, 00:13
If they lead 4th best ♦s are 4-4.(Although the way South continued says it is not) And i cant see any interesting line tbh.
If 3-3 ♠ K on i am cold, if not i will need ♣ finesse on, trying to make 4♠+3♣+1+1 red tricks. I cant afford to play small ♠ to AQJxx incase N has stiff K because that will disable me from taking ♣ finesse if K is not stiff. But since u posted this, there must be a sexy move that i cant see at the moment.
If 3-3 ♠ K on i am cold, if not i will need ♣ finesse on, trying to make 4♠+3♣+1+1 red tricks. I cant afford to play small ♠ to AQJxx incase N has stiff K because that will disable me from taking ♣ finesse if K is not stiff. But since u posted this, there must be a sexy move that i cant see at the moment.
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Posted 2011-November-03, 03:19
I'd start with ♣AK. If the Q didn't drop, we need ♠ 3-3 with the K onside. If the Q dropped, then we only need ♠K onside.
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Posted 2011-November-03, 13:42
Free, on 2011-November-03, 03:19, said:
I'd start with ♣AK. If the Q didn't drop, we need ♠ 3-3 with the K onside. If the Q dropped, then we only need ♠K onside.
So u think playing on 3-3 ♠ and K on or Q ♣ drops is better line than taking both black finesses ? Interesting
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Posted 2011-November-03, 14:57
I think we are both playing on 3-3 ♠ K on. And in case they are not you are betting your money on Qx ♣ while i bet my money on ♣ finesse.
Qx ♣ or Q stiff = 16.14 + 2.42 = % 18.56
♣ finesse or stiff Q off side = 50+ 1.21 = % 51.21
Is there something i maybe missing except than 5-1 or 6-0 ♠ break while club was Qx or stiff ? Which is % 1.41 you can reduce from my line even if we dont reduce the 6-0 or 5-1 King off side from your line ?
Qx ♣ or Q stiff = 16.14 + 2.42 = % 18.56
♣ finesse or stiff Q off side = 50+ 1.21 = % 51.21
Is there something i maybe missing except than 5-1 or 6-0 ♠ break while club was Qx or stiff ? Which is % 1.41 you can reduce from my line even if we dont reduce the 6-0 or 5-1 King off side from your line ?
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Posted 2011-November-03, 15:21
How are you planning to take both black suit finesses without a special taxi service to hand?
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Posted 2011-November-03, 15:40
FrancesHinden, on 2011-November-03, 15:21, said:
How are you planning to take both black suit finesses without a special taxi service to hand?
Lol u are right of course, i am thinking i am in hand now, sorry Free.
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Posted 2011-November-03, 15:51
Ok knowing that i am on board, not in hand, letme try again then.
3-3 ♠ K on = % 17.76 + Qx or Q stiff ♣ = % 18.56 = % 36.32
Then i think cashing 1 club honor and playing low to ♠ T and then taking ♣ finesse is still better i guess. No ?
3-3 ♠ K on = % 17.76 + Qx or Q stiff ♣ = % 18.56 = % 36.32
Then i think cashing 1 club honor and playing low to ♠ T and then taking ♣ finesse is still better i guess. No ?
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Posted 2011-November-03, 16:06
Free, on 2011-November-03, 03:19, said:
I'd start with ♣AK. If the Q didn't drop, we need ♠ 3-3 with the K onside. If the Q dropped, then we only need ♠K onside.
Didn't we decide that diamonds are 4-4? Given that, if ♣Q does drop, you don't need ♠K onside - just play a spade to the 10, making four spades, three clubs and two red aces.
That, of course, means that MrAce's new line is superior.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-November-03, 16:11
I don't think we decided anything about the diamonds.
Opening leader has played 5-Q-7
His partner has played K-9-2
The 10 and the 8 are still missing.
Opening leader's carding appears to be from a 4-card suit, Q1075 or Q875 if they play 4th highest leads
Partner's carding appears to be from a 3 card suit, K92 as with K982 the 2 is the normal card on the second round, and K1092 the 10 or the 2.
So either they are playing attitude or 3/5 leads, or partner has false carded.
Are we allowed to know their opening lead style?
Opening leader has played 5-Q-7
His partner has played K-9-2
The 10 and the 8 are still missing.
Opening leader's carding appears to be from a 4-card suit, Q1075 or Q875 if they play 4th highest leads
Partner's carding appears to be from a 3 card suit, K92 as with K982 the 2 is the normal card on the second round, and K1092 the 10 or the 2.
So either they are playing attitude or 3/5 leads, or partner has false carded.
Are we allowed to know their opening lead style?
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Posted 2011-November-03, 16:58
N-S informed that they play standard carding, 4th best leads vs NT. At the table, Didn't know who was not following the code.
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Posted 2011-November-04, 09:14
Thanks all for your Comments/input. It is a very tough hand, especially, with false carding, etc. I was just curious what might be the best Percentage line in the given circumstances. Here are the NS hands:
N: 8543,KQ3, QT75, 43
S: K9, 842, K982, Q972
N: 8543,KQ3, QT75, 43
S: K9, 842, K982, Q972
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