[kgr]

RHO opens 2D weak or 2H weak.
What is the minimal hand with which you bid 3S iso 2S?
This is a system question, No Vuln or match type defined.
Example hands:
AQJxxx / Kx / xx / KJx
AQJxxxx / Kx / x / KJx
AQJTxx / Kx / xx / KQx

Thanks,
Koen
Edited: Changed 2nd hand from D xx to D x

[gwnn]

The second hand has 14 cards, if you mean that it has a singleton diamond, it is a clear 3♠ bid. The first one is a 2♠ bid and the third one might be a 3♠ bid.

[nigel_k]

Agree with gwnn. Only the third one is close but I would want slightly more for a 3♠ bid.

[akwoo]

I would define 3♠ as 7.5-8.5 playing tricks.

The last hand qualifies if opps don't consider AQxxxx and nothing else to be a sufficient weak 2 - which is ridiculous but not unheard of - and if we're vulnerable, I'm not in 3rd seat (with a passed partner and unpassed LHO), and I'm feeling lucky.

[Zelandakh]

akwoo, on 2011-October-11, 18:10, said:

I would define 3♠ as 7.5-8.5 playing tricks.

I do not think it needs to be quite as strong as this - closer is a hand that would double and bid rather than overcall but this is not quite right either since some hands that would take this route at the 1 level will still double now (because they are flexible rather than 1-suited). With 8.5 tricks I am more likely to be looking at a 4S bid than 3S.

[dake50]

The jump 3S must have a minor single/void.
2S is a limited-by-not-double-first.
Better defense starts X to rebid 3S/4S.

[gordontd]

akwoo, on 2011-October-11, 18:10, said:

The last hand qualifies if opps don't consider AQxxxx and nothing else to be a sufficient weak 2 - which is ridiculous but not unheard of

What do you consider to be a minimum weak two?

[Zelandakh]

gordontd, on 2011-October-12, 06:32, said:

What do you consider to be a minimum weak two?

I think you need to add colours and seat position to this for it to have any real meaning...

[gordontd]

Zelandakh, on 2011-October-12, 06:34, said:

I think you need to add colours and seat position to this for it to have any real meaning...

The post to which I was replying didn't see any such necessity.

[Zelandakh]

gordontd, on 2011-October-12, 06:36, said:

The post to which I was replying didn't see any such necessity.

This is true. It was also written in the negative which I find somewhat confusing and need to re-read 2 or 3 times to be sure I have the correct meaning.

[lamford]

Zelandakh, on 2011-October-12, 06:42, said:

This is true. It was also written in the negative which I find somewhat confusing and need to re-read 2 or 3 times to be sure I have the correct meaning.

Does that mean you needed to read it three or four times?

[Zelandakh]

lamford, on 2011-October-12, 06:48, said:

Does that mean you needed to read it three or four times?

Is this not the same thing? In the same way that more than 2 is the same as 3 or more for a variable that can only take integer form. But I used re-read to show that this was each time I returned to the thread rather than reading it through 3 or 4 times and then remembering it thereafter so i guess I have read it through at least 7 or 8 times in all .

[kgr]

What do you think of following definition?:
(2 weak)-3M jump
6cM with 15-18 good points if no extra distribution (Can have less points with longer Spades or extra distribution)

[neilkaz]

I would jump to 3♠ only with hand 2.

[dboxley]

kgr, on 2011-October-11, 05:56, said:

RHO opens 2D weak or 2H weak.
What is the minimal hand with which you bid 3S iso 2S?
This is a system question, No Vuln or match type defined.
Example hands:
AQJxxx / Kx / xx / KJx
AQJxxxx / Kx / x / KJx
AQJTxx / Kx / xx / KQx

Thanks,
Koen
Edited: Changed 2nd hand from D xx to D x

2♠
3♠
3♠

[gwnn]

Just to sound like a very careful expert, I'd like to say that the third hand is a 2♠ bid over 2♥ but a 3♠ bid over 2♦.

@kgr: yes I think that definition is pretty accurate, about the best way to express it if you want to express it with numbers.

[kgr]

gwnn, on 2011-October-21, 05:20, said:

Just to sound like a very careful expert, I'd like to say that the third hand is a 2♠ bid over 2♥ but a 3♠ bid over 2♦.

Why is that?
Is there a difference in overcalling 2♦ and 2♥
Or is?:
AQJTxx / xx / Kx / KQx
2♠ over 2♦ & 3♠ over 2♥

[gwnn]

kgr said:

Or is?:
AQJTxx / xx / Kx / KQx
2♠ over 2♦ & 3♠ over 2♥

Yes that's what I meant. But I don't think I would cut it that fine.