[jillybean]

MP, All V you hold AT92, AK832, AK74, void

(P) P (1N) ?
(1n = 15-17)

Your system (set in stone) is:
2♣ single suit m or M+m
2♦ Majors
2♥/♠ natural
X = penalty

Your turn?

[ggwhiz]

2♦ (majors) followed by 3♦ hopefully natural should get us to the right strain. That would be a very big bid by us (vul) and partner may be able to show a pulse.

Since our system is set in stone pard won't think I forgot it

[aguahombre]

jillybean, on 2011-October-07, 15:41, said:

Your system (set in stone) is:

You think that will stop posters from offering their own in this thread?

[jillybean]

aguahombre, on 2011-October-07, 17:38, said:

You think that will stop posters from offering their own in this thread?

No, but it allows me to bite anyone who tries.

[aguahombre]

I already gave my big plus to the Whiz's plan, and now feel free to speculate on other possibilities.

What if partner doesn't like my majors and bids 3C? Think I will leave it alone ---hoping my tricks and her clubs will do the job.

What if the reason for the thread is because partner didn't alert 2♦ and "raised" to 3 in competition or otherwise? If this turns into a L.A. mess, mark me down for 6♦ as the only alternative I would permit.

[Vampyr]

ggwhiz, on 2011-October-07, 15:45, said:

2♦ (majors) followed by 3♦ hopefully natural should get us to the right strain.

aguahombre, on 2011-October-07, 19:07, said:

What if partner doesn't like my majors and bids 3C? Think I will leave it alone ---hoping my tricks and her clubs will do the job.

The problem with these plans is that they fail to get across the fact that I have a fifth heart. Not that I have any ideas...

[jillybean]

I wish I had been that smart.

After 2♦ partner bids 2♠ and over 3♦, 4♦

[aguahombre]

jillybean, on 2011-October-08, 00:30, said:

After 2♦ partner bids 2♠ and over 3♦, 4♦

O.k., 5D. Pard saw the auction and should raise to 4D on as little as JXX XX QXXXX XXX.

This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2011-October-08, 00:38

[jillybean]

here's the full hand

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[aguahombre]

On the given hand, my partner would have bid 4S instead of 4D.

In any case, we would languish in 4 Spades.

[Cyberyeti]

aguahombre, on 2011-October-08, 00:33, said:

O.k., 5D. Pard saw the auction and should raise to 4D on as little as JXX XX QXXXX XXX.

I think you want to be in 6♦ even opposite that heap.

♦2-2 and ♥ no worse than 4-2 is cold
♦3-1 and either major suit 3-3 with the other 4-2 is good enough with some other chances

On the actual hand, partner has an easy 4♠ and I'd bid 6 once I discover Q♠. It might just be close to no play (if partner is 4333 with 3 small hearts and no J♠), but partner didn't have to bid 4♠ opposite a known club shortage so he should have something useful, and if he has ♠QJ the finesse will work, if he doesn't, leading the Q from dummy will hold losers to 1.

[han]

The system set in stone says that 2D shows both majors. That's a terrible system (bite me!), and you'll often have a harder time than all the other pairs who play that 2C shows both majors. But you pick up both majors, so you bid 2D. Partner bids 2S. This says nothing, partner would bid 2H or 2S with almost 100% certainty when you have this hand and RHO has opened 1NT, there simply isn't enough left for partner to do anything else.

What to do next? Obviously you cannot pass, your hand is far too powerful. You can't bid 4S, since you don't even know if partner has 4 spades. He could easily be 3-2-5-3, and slam in diamonds could be cold while 4S is down. So you want to bid more, but not insist on spades and make the best description of your hand.

3D seems right, although you could have a bit less than this for that call. If partner bids 3S, you'll still have a decision, should you bid game or pass? Fortunately partner has a really good hand for you: a spadefit and three useful highcards. Certainly he'll bid 4S.

[jillybean]

han, on 2011-October-09, 04:15, said:

The system set in stone says that 2D shows both majors. That's a terrible system (bite me!), and you'll often have a harder time than all the other pairs who play that 2C shows both majors.

Ok, I'll bite. Why is 2D showing both majors a terrible system?

[Zelandakh]

jillybean, on 2011-October-09, 08:51, said:

Ok, I'll bite. Why is 2D showing both majors a terrible system?

Because you cannot easily determine which is the longer.

[jillybean]

jillybean, on 2011-October-09, 08:51, said:

Ok, I'll bite. Why is 2D showing both majors a terrible system?

Zelandakh, on 2011-October-09, 09:58, said:

Because you cannot easily determine which is the longer.

Any system showing both majors has the same problem, that's not unique to the 2D bid.

[BunnyGo]

jillybean, on 2011-October-09, 10:29, said:

Any system showing both majors has the same problem, that's not unique to the 2D bid.

After 2C showing the majors, you can use 2D as an asking bid.

[1eyedjack]

jillybean, on 2011-October-09, 10:29, said:

Any system showing both majors has the same problem, that's not unique to the 2D bid.

I think that is a bit of an overbid. As mentioned, you have some scope opposite a 2C "Landy" bid. Another system of defence (not necessarily better overall) is to use 2C to show Hearts and a second suit, 2D to show Spades and a second suit, and start by showing the shorter of two majors. I only mention it because whatever its merits it is quite popular and also finds the longer major.

[jillybean]

Oh yes, we've been here before.

[pooltuna]

X

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

X - penalty.

If you play it, than make the bid, X showes the values of the hand,
if you bid something else, you deny the strength to make a penalty X.

Given your club shortage, you are not afraid, that you wont be able
to show your suits.

Switch the spades with clubs, and I may start considering to sell the
hand as 2-suiter.

With kind regards
Marlowe