[jdeegan]

Your bid?

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[Bbradley62]

pass. quickly.

[MrAce]

I am expecting solid ♥ from pd at these colors, unless he is a maniac. Easy 5♥ for me asking to bid 6 if has ♠ control.

[VM1973]

A week ago I would have said that you should pass in tempo. However, after everything I've learned about the hands people will bid 4M on, I have changed my mind and I would say that it completely depends on your partner.

[the_clown]

I can see myself bidding 4♥ on x KJ10xxxx - KQxx or xx KQ9xxxxx x KQ, where 5 could be too high. Playing with a solid preempter I may try 5♥ if I am in the right mood.

[vianu2]

MrAce, on 2011-August-05, 15:39, said:

I am expecting solid ♥ from pd at these colors, unless he is a maniac. Easy 5♥ for me asking to bid 6 if has ♠ control.

And what is your plan now, when your "not maniac" partner says he has spade control bidding 6♥ ?
Ah! U are dummy. U will not suffering the offend to receive a spade lead to the ace and to get ruffed at the second tric
(or Kx is not control?).
Or u have any method (over 5♥) to get to 6NT?

[ArtK78]

x KQJT9xxxxx x x

Your call over RHO's 1♠ opening at unfavorable vul?

I suspect that most, if not all, players would bid 4♥.

How does 6♥ look opposite this hand?

In any case, I pass my partner's 4♥ call. Maybe pard will have the right hand to make 6, but I doubt it.

[vianu2]

ArtK78, on 2011-August-09, 13:25, said:

x KQJT9xxxxx x x

Your call over RHO's 1♠ opening at unfavorable vul?

I suspect that most, if not all, players would bid 4♥.

How does 6♥ look opposite this hand?

In any case, I pass my partner's 4♥ call. Maybe pard will have the right hand to make 6, but I doubt it.

Bleah. Being very imaginative i may think to bid 5h(not 4)but that doesn't help me to play the slam when it is right.
Experts may have methods for such offensive hands.
I lose that board but u lose many many others.

[pio_magic]

So if 5♥ may be too dangerous, why not use RK for Aces? Then you always can safely stop in 5♥. And if partner had - KQJT9.... ... ... he may bid 6H himself...

P

[ArtK78]

vianu2, on 2011-August-09, 15:01, said:

Bleah. Being very imaginative i may think to bid 5h(not 4)but that doesn't help me to play the slam when it is right.
Experts may have methods for such offensive hands.
I lose that board but u lose many many others.

That was just an example.

There are so many hands where there is a trump loser and an outside ace (or two outside losers) to lose that it doesn't make sense to risk a minus score by looking for slam.

Many of those hands involve very long heart suits with one or two losers and an offsuit cashing ace.

Sometimes, when partner preempts, he doesn't have a strong hand.

[vianu2]

ArtK78, on 2011-August-10, 06:59, said:

That was just an example.

There are so many hands where there is a trump loser and an outside ace (or two outside losers) to lose that it doesn't make sense to risk a minus score by looking for slam.

Many of those hands involve very long heart suits with one or two losers and an offsuit cashing ace.

Sometimes, when partner preempts, he doesn't have a strong hand.

Sir,
When my partner bid a game red vs white and i have 6 trics in my own hand i don't care of playing on the level 5.
My only problem is to count losers, and if there are 2 then we will play it on the level 5.
Of course i don't know a method to ask the shortness spade or the control ( Kx or Ax) in that special case.
That's why im still waiting for our dear friend mrAce to elucidate that question and let us take advantage of his fascinating and definitely worth knowing.

[pooltuna]

6♥ I'm responding like this is IMPS and if partner doesn't have 8 tricks at these colors shame on him.

[vianu2]

pooltuna, on 2011-August-10, 07:54, said:

6♥ I'm responding like this is IMPS and if partner doesn't have 8 tricks at these colors shame on him.

Man but your partner may have Kx spade and u go down 6H what 's the problem with u all? Did i misread it and the opening was 1CL? Wow!!

[Phil]

vianu2, on 2011-August-09, 12:25, said:

And what is your plan now, when your "not maniac" partner says he has spade control bidding 6♥ ?
Ah! U are dummy. U will not suffering the offend to receive a spade lead to the ace and to get ruffed at the second tric
(or Kx is not control?).
Or u have any method (over 5♥) to get to 6NT?

I would expect partner would bid 5N over 5♥ with ♠Kx.

[mtvesuvius]

5♥ is standout here IMO. Partner's bid here is fairly wide-ranging and I certainly don't expect to make slam all the time, but I think that we rate to be making slam fairly often... Even when partner has AKJxxxx or something, we still have play. I don't think that 5♥ will be going down that often, and I think it gives us the best chance of finding slam when it is right. Of course partner will bid 5N with Kx, although we may occasionally play 6N down 5.

It won't be the first time I bid one more and went down, and I suspect that it won't be the last.

[vianu2]

mtvesuvius, on 2011-August-10, 10:12, said:

5♥ is standout here IMO. Partner's bid here is fairly wide-ranging and I certainly don't expect to make slam all the time, but I think that we rate to be making slam fairly often... Even when partner has AKJxxxx or something, we still have play. I don't think that 5♥ will be going down that often, and I think it gives us the best chance of finding slam when it is right. Of course partner will bid 5N with Kx, although we may occasionally play 6N down 5.

It won't be the first time I bid one more and went down, and I suspect that it won't be the last.

And if u invite with 5♥ having x trump, what is the meaning of 5cl/5d/4sp?
And how do u act when u have some heart support and need a cue? let's say spade?
What are your agreements?
Added: how will decide your partner to pass/ not pass 5h?

[ArtK78]

Is anyone else as tired of this as I am?

Every action chosen has an upside and a downside. None is perfect. Reasons for each have been presented.

Enough already.

[JLOGIC]

mtvesuvius, on 2011-August-10, 10:12, said:

I don't think that 5♥ will be going down that often

I disagree about this, if partner passes 5 hearts he will have a doubleton spade... if he has a doubleton spade his hearts have to be REALLY solid to avoid a possible trump promotion (or we have to be a little bit lucky). Meh.

[vianu2]

ArtK78, on 2011-August-10, 10:30, said:

Is anyone else as tired of this as I am?

Every action chosen has an upside and a downside. None is perfect. Reasons for each have been presented.

Enough already.

NO i find it very interesting, i never knew how to bid on the high levels to reach a slam , i'd like to learn from other opinions than open a book because i"m very lazy . I'm really interested to know the answer to my questions posted before.

[JLOGIC]

On that note, I think 5H is not a good bid if you want to bid, I presume most play it as demanding partner to bid 6 with a spade control. Inferentially this would mean we could just cuebid if we wanted to invite partners judgement with a hand that had a spade control in it. I don't think it's possible to cuebid with no control in spades and another minor, so partner will not be worried we have no diamond control if we bid 5C (and certainly when he has solid trumps and a spade control he will not be thinking that).

I would pass though.