[mtvesuvius]

jogs, on 2011-August-16, 18:37, said:

I held a similar hand 7=2=2=2 and opened 2♠.

The auction went

2♠ - X - 3♠ - 4♥
4♠ - X - all pass

4♠X making. LHO asked,"thought the preemptor wasn't allowed to bid again?"

Yes, because when the bid works once against a random idiot, it will always work in the future against other people. Bridge is such an easy game!

[cloa513]

rduran1216, on 2011-August-11, 20:47, said:

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1st seat Red vs. white

do you open this hand?

1S, 3S? etc?

That Jx isn't worth much as useful HCP so the question really is
what do you open with
AJxxxxxx
Ax
xx
xx

[aguahombre]

cloa513, on 2011-August-16, 21:29, said:

That Jx isn't worth much as useful HCP so the question really is
what do you open with
AJxxxxxx
Ax
xx
xx

Let's forget too many x's in the spade suit giving us 14 cards; the question has merit. I vote for the same 1S opening. Same LTC, and for offense, there is usually something wasted in one hand or the other. That doesn't mean I am right, I just dislike pass..or a preempt with the wrong suit quality for 3S, the wrong length for 2S, and the outside bullet.

[whereagles]

Phil, on 2011-August-16, 16:46, said:

The original saying is:

Practice random acts of kindness and senseless acts of beauty

or

praticar atos aleatórios de bondade e de atos sem sentido de beleza

Thx. Now I get it (more or less)

[gnasher]

cloa513, on 2011-August-16, 21:29, said:

That Jx isn't worth much as useful HCP so the question really is
what do you open with
AJxxxxxx
Ax
xx
xx

The Jx may well be useful in defence. The more defence we have, the more inclined we should be to open at the one level, so I don't think you should disregard it.

[rhm]

jogs, on 2011-August-16, 18:37, said:

I held a similar hand 7=2=2=2 and opened 2♠.

The auction went

2♠ - X - 3♠ - 4♥
4♠ - X - all pass

4♠X making. LHO asked,"thought the preemptor wasn't allowed to bid again?"

mtvesuvius, on 2011-August-16, 18:39, said:

Yes, because when the bid works once against a random idiot, it will always work in the future against other people. Bridge is such an easy game!

I bid 2♠ because getting too high on a misfit is real. A 2♠ opening let's you stop right in 2♠.
Once partner shows support the hand revalues.
I would never let the opponents play 4♥, knowing about a 7-3 fit in ♠ opposite a hand which wants to increase the preemptive value. 4♠ is a good two way shot now and sometimes both games will make.
It is good to know the rules of this game - and when not to follow them. This is no game for robots.

All these arguments against a weak two ♠ bid, like having two bullets or a seventh ♠ cut no ice with me.
The least of my worries are that partner may over-compete.
In fact what is wrong with having an additional trump when your suit is weak escapes me.

Rainer Herrmann

[blackshoe]

"Normally should not" ≠ "not allowed to". Of course, some people think everything they've heard as a "rule" is engraved on stone tablets.

[the hog]

rhm, on 2011-August-17, 07:00, said:

I bid 2♠ because getting too high on a misfit is real. A 2♠ opening let's you stop right in 2♠.
Once partner shows support the hand revalues.
I would never let the opponents play 4♥, knowing about a 7-3 fit in ♠ opposite a hand which wants to increase the preemptive value. 4♠ is a good two way shot now and sometimes both games will make.
It is good to know the rules of this game - and when not to follow them. This is no game for robots.

All these arguments against a weak two ♠ bid, like having two bullets or a seventh ♠ cut no ice with me.
The least of my worries are that partner may over-compete.
In fact what is wrong with having an additional trump when your suit is weak escapes me.

Rainer Herrmann

I would never < (my emphasis) let the opponents play 4♥, knowing about a 7-3 fit in ♠ opposite a hand which wants to increase the preemptive value. 4♠ is a good two way shot now and sometimes both games will make.

xxx
QJT
Axxx
xxx

It is good to know the rules of this game - and when not to follow them. This is no game for robots. (my emphasis)
Seems like an oxymoron.

[jmcw]

rhm, on 2011-August-17, 07:00, said:

I bid 2♠ because getting too high on a misfit is real. A 2♠ opening let's you stop right in 2♠.
Once partner shows support the hand revalues.
I would never let the opponents play 4♥, knowing about a 7-3 fit in ♠ opposite a hand which wants to increase the preemptive value. 4♠ is a good two way shot now and sometimes both games will make.
It is good to know the rules of this game - and when not to follow them. This is no game for robots.

All these arguments against a weak two ♠ bid, like having two bullets or a seventh ♠ cut no ice with me.
The least of my worries are that partner may over-compete.
In fact what is wrong with having an additional trump when your suit is weak escapes me.

Rainer Herrmann

I like that. Seemingly, you have a rule for when to break the rules. Does partner know?, or is that another rule.

[MrAce]

rhm, on 2011-August-17, 07:00, said:

I bid 2♠ because getting too high on a misfit is real.........
Rainer Herrmann

Which misfit ? If he has stiff u have 8 card fit if has doubleton u have 9 card fit ! This is not a 2 suiter light opener hand. Misfit usually hurts 2 suiter hands for various reasons. Of course there will be times we may regret 1♠ opening with this, but even then this will not be due to misfit most of the time.

I will not critisize 2♠ or 3♠ openers. It is a choice/style thing. To me this hand opens 1♠ rebids 2♠ and then rebids 3♠ if forced to (unless supported) But on the other hand i open 2♠ with QJT9xx xxx xxx x in first seat and equal or fav vuln. So this one is way too heavy for me to open 2♠.

[rhm]

jmcw, on 2011-August-17, 20:09, said:

I like that. Seemingly, you have a rule for when to break the rules. Does partner know?, or is that another rule.

No I do not have rules, when to break the rules. This would really sound like an oxymoron.
However, you should have good reasons when you break rules.
Partner does not know and need not care.
Judgment and logical thinking is more important than any rule.

Rainer Herrmann

[rhm]

the hog, on 2011-August-17, 18:50, said:

I would never < (my emphasis) let the opponents play 4♥, knowing about a 7-3 fit in ♠ opposite a hand which wants to increase the preemptive value. 4♠ is a good two way shot now and sometimes both games will make.

xxx
QJT
Axxx
xxx

...

My recommended actions do not work 100% of the time, do yours?

Rainer Herrmann

[xxhong]

This hand is too balanced for me to open 2S or 3S. So it is a 1S hand for me.

rduran1216, on 2011-August-11, 20:47, said:

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1st seat Red vs. white

do you open this hand?

1S, 3S? etc?

[the hog]

rhm, on 2011-August-18, 04:05, said:

My recommended actions do not work 100% of the time, do yours?

Rainer Herrmann

No, they don't Rainer, however it does seem to me that what you propose is more likely to have problems than what I propose.