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who lost his mind? ATB

Poll: who lost his mind? (16 member(s) have cast votes)

who could have done better?

  1. N (4 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  2. S (7 votes [43.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.75%

  3. both (3 votes [18.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.75%

  4. amazing bidding (2 votes [12.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

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Posted 2011-August-05, 04:11

View Postthe hog, on 2011-August-04, 18:42, said:

Its not a silly suggestion at all. How can YOU distinguish between a QJxxxx D holding and out and the original posted hand. If you can only do so by Leb later, then I think THAT is silly. You clearly do not like using the options given to you when the opponents uses a bid with multi meanings and are later forced to clarify their holding.

So tell us what to bid with a weak hand without a nice 6 card suit, say with with xxx, xxx, xxxx, xxx or similar? Does partner's double necessarily show ?
Bidding 3 on nothing is simply asking for trouble, but I agree with you that Leb is of dubious value over multi.
My agreements, which I do not assume here, are that double over multi 2 either shows a takeout double against a weak two in or a strong hand.
With a takeout double against a weak two in we pass first and come in later. Consequently I would pass the double with xxxx, xx, xxxx, xxx or similar.
If you are broke you do not always have a nice 6 card suit, with which it might be relatively safe to go to the 3 level.
Much better and simple is to use 3 as a general game force, since you do not have a cue-bid available otherwise.
A cue-bid to establish an early game force is badly needed when opponents preempt and partner shows values. It is also much more frequent than a weak hand with a long suit.

To answer your question in this context is easy:
If you are weak with you pass and pass again. What could be more natural and safe?
If you are stronger with and you want to compete or emphasize your suit, pass and bid next. Looks to me quite natural too.
In the unlikely event that you want to preempt in you have the option of bidding 4 or higher immediately.
So North first pass is okay but conservative, so would have been an immediate more optimistic 3.
What is not acceptable is to pass and then pass again when partner jumps to 3NT.

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Posted 2011-August-05, 04:16

"Consequently I would pass the double with ♠xxxx, ♥ xx, ♦xxxx, ♣xxx or similar."

You might find yourself defending 2D x
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Posted 2011-August-05, 05:14

View Postthe hog, on 2011-August-05, 04:16, said:

"Consequently I would pass the double with ♠xxxx, ♥ xx, ♦xxxx, ♣xxx or similar."

You might find yourself defending 2D x

I doubt it, since the 2 opener will have a tough time to pass with his 6 card major and you could also have a weak hand with long s.
Anyway even if and they make it is at least not game. Far better than playing 3 doubled myself. I prefer to look for 6 tricks in on defense rather than for 9 tricks.

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Posted 2011-August-05, 05:46

I would have unloaded 6N with the north hand rather than pass. South has about what I expected. The north hand is not only much stronger than it might be, it is also much more useful than other ten counts might be.

I think north has about a 4N bid in truth, which should fetch 6C from south.
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