[whereagles]

Swiss teams, expert pard and adv opps.

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1st dbl is a standard take out dbl. Your general agreements on doubles that apply here are "dbl is for take out until a fit is reached".

Allright, questions:
1. What do you think parter has?
2. What do you bid?

EDIT: fixed hand.

This post has been edited by whereagles: 2011-May-26, 03:41

[gwnn]

I don't know for sure what he has, but luckily I already overbid my hand by a queen, so I can pass and hope for the best.

[Hanoi5]

2♣ before. Now I pass, partner might have diamonds, if he doubles 3♥ I don't know what I'll do (4♣?). He might bid 3NT next, though. I don't know what's worse.

[whereagles]

Sorry, I had a card wrong. Your spades are stronger: Axx, not Qxx. Without it 1NT would have been an overbid, of course.

Hand fixed, so have another go.

[Hanoi5]

I continue passing. I still think partner has diamonds but my hearts don't look good enough for doubling.

[mcphee]

Lets see, partner made a t/o dble so my guess is he has it. When 3D is doubled for me that is penalty and extra values. I am not overly fond of the 1NT bid and prefer 2C. I do not think they will make 3H but I am not going to hit it, lets take it in 50's.

[gwnn]

what the hell now I have to think!

but I'm still not sure what partner has. he has many points of course but not sure what shape. I think I still pass because I'm not sure what to do and my partner knows how much I have.

[barryallen]

I believe partner is 4-0-3-6 or 4-0-4-5 and his only problem being is how many points do I have in ♥. Let's tell partner I have little value in ♥, but do have goodies elsewhere. To me a bid of 4♣ would get that across, leaving partner in control to place the final contract in case there has been a misunderstanding. I expect partner to have something like,

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On reflection I would add in the hands 4-0-4-5 and 4-1-3-5, a hand where bypassing 3NT with partner having a good stop and a half+ in ♥ could well bypass the only game if partner held something like

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Either way, I can not see bidding 4♣ as doing a great deal of damage and possibly making things a whole lot simpler, whether or not the opposition enter the bidding again.

[gnasher]

I don't see why we should expect partner to have a heart void. He could have one, but he could also be 4144, 4135, 3145, etc. It's even possible that he has two hearts. BarryAllen's example looks to me like a hand that would bid 3♥ over 3♦.

Even so, I don't think we should defend with this hand - we have the least defensive heart holding we could possibly have, and excellent black-suit cards. 4♣ looks reasonable, but maybe 3♠ shows this sort of hand, giving partner one last chance to bid 3NT?

[billw55]

I have already showed my hand fairly well, so I see no reason to take a free bid here. I don't mind defending as I expect a dead dummy.

[Cyberyeti]

I expect partner to be 4135 15+ and the bidder to probably have 11 red cards, this may not defend well at all.

KQJx, x, Axx, AQxxx would not be silly, 3♦x could be making an overtrick but is more likely just = depending on how I defend while 5♣ is icy if W is 1651.

With no wasted red suit values I'd be bidding clubs, not sure if 4 or 5.

[MrAce]

I do not understand the pass. Why are we bidding so shy ?

I am not saying i love this agreement but OP said pd is making a T/O DBL. And now we found a hand that fits perfectly to our agreement and we are about to ruin it by being shy. LHO has a wild red colors hand and i have 1 hcp combined in his suits while i have Axx and Kxxx in pd's suits. Partner can not know if our hands match well or not due to our initial 1 NT response, but we know.

I am bidding 4♥ if that means choice of games if not i bid at least 3♠. As long as we bid something here we will be fine, pd will get the msg that i am not interested in defending. Pd may have 5♠+4♣ or 4♠+5-6 ♣ which was too good to start with overcall. Cmon now!

[nige1]

Swiss teams, expert pard and adv opps.
1st dbl is a standard take out dbl. Your general agreements on doubles that apply here are "dbl is for take out until a fit is reached".
Allright, questions:
1. What do you think parter has?
2. What do you bid?

IMO
Partner has at least ♠ KQxx ♥ x ♦ KQxx ♣ AQJx
4♣ = 10, 5♣ = 9, 3♠ = 8. 4♥ = 7, _X = 6, _P = 5

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[aguahombre]

Mark one more for 5♣ --not buying the possibility that pard has more than 4 spades, but influenced by the fact that MY pard would not have 5+spades; maybe this pard does, which would make a COG bid better.

[Phil]

 MrAce, on 2011-May-26, 14:11, said:

I do not understand the pass. Why are we bidding so shy ?

You don't think pass is forcing?

Partner can have a lot of different patterns - including those with a doubleton (or for that matter, a void) heart! Why are we bidding in front of partner?

We could be crushing 3♥, or we could make slam.

[benlessard]

IMO There is 2 style for the double of 3D 1-show at least some desire to play 3Hx (my pov) In wich case its pointless to double 3D with a H void its also pointless to X just based on diamonds.

Or you can play it as a safe take out X of 3H (with a strong take out and most GF hands he can bid 3H).

I prefer option 1 so with 4 trumps and no desire for 3Nt I X, its possible we can make 5C but its possible it goes AD D ruff too. Partner will lead a trump 100% of the time. A lot of hands where 5C is best partner will bid 3H and not wasted his time by a pointless doublle of 3D.

The good point about 5C is that lho will probably not resist leading a S if 1651/1552 shape

[aguahombre]

 Phil, on 2011-May-26, 16:41, said:

Partner can have a lot of different patterns - including those with a doubleton (or for that matter, a void) heart! Why are we bidding in front of partner?

IMO, we are bidding because he wants input, despite our previous attempt at description (the 1NT advance to the double).

Within the framework of that call, we have an ace and a king in pard's suits; he seems to want our input, and to pass would not show that.

[dake50]

Partner asks if my hearts are good enough to defend.
They are not, Pass.

[gnasher]

 gnasher, on 2011-May-26, 05:49, said:

4♣ looks reasonable

I don't know what was going though my mind when I said that. 5♣ looks reasonable, but I still like 3♠ (which I think is clearly forcing).

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

#1 no idea / dont care
#2 X, penalty

With kind regards
Marlowe