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the old question of 1x or 2C opening?

Poll: the old question of 1x or 2C opening? (36 member(s) have cast votes)

4th seat A, AKx, AQxxxxx, Qx

  1. 1D (29 votes [80.56%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 80.56%

  2. 2C (7 votes [19.44%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 19.44%

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#21 User is offline   VM1973 

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Posted 2011-May-25, 07:40

I always thought you were supposed to open with a 2 bid when you had more quick tricks than losers. Based on that standard it's got 4 losers and 4.5 QTs.
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Posted 2011-May-25, 08:01

View Postjillybean, on 2011-May-24, 15:16, said:

I opened 1♦ and jumped to 3♦ over partners 1♠. That is where I played opposite KJ953 6 9 A98753
Making 5 for -10imps. The other table opened 2♣ and managed to get to 5♦.


Despite me having a preferenc for opening 2C, I think responder is worth a bid over 3D :)
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Posted 2011-May-25, 08:04

View PostHanoi5, on 2011-May-25, 07:22, said:

Over 1♠ I'd bid 2♥. 3♣ is another possibility. I prefer (and thought it was standard) to use the 3NT rebid to show a solid (or even semi-solid) opening suit and these diamonds, although seven, do not look solid to me. So, is the 3NT rebid that or just 'I have a bunch of good diamonds and enough for game but not exactly balanced'?

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Posted 2011-May-25, 11:25

So, a much more interesting question is what do you bid after 1♦:1♠ holding A, AKx, AQxxxxx, Qx

It's good to know what 3N would be, I'm still not sure if I would chose it.
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Posted 2011-May-25, 12:12

After 3 passes I would also consider just opening 3NT. Let ops try to figure it out from there. I can always pull to diamonds if doubled.

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Posted 2011-May-25, 13:09

View Postfuburules3, on 2011-May-24, 12:25, said:

What is the maximum hand people open 3D in 4th seat with? I would think this hand is too strong, but how much weaker would it have to be?

A tiny bit weaker, say with ♥xxx instead of AKx I would definitely consider it.
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Posted 2011-May-25, 13:12

View Postjillybean, on 2011-May-25, 11:25, said:

So, a much more interesting question is what do you bid after 1♦:1♠ holding A, AKx, AQxxxxx, Qx

It's good to know what 3N would be, I'm still not sure if I would chose it.

You have to force to game there is no choice about that. You could make a reverse with 2♥, you could bid 5♦, or you could bid 3NT. In theory 3NT shows a solid suit with a bit less outside, but it's maybe the most practical bid.
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Posted 2011-May-25, 13:25

If I opened 1♦, I would reverse to 2♥ over 1♠. Its important that partner properly evaluate black suit controls and I'm not sure a direct 3N accomplishes this.
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Posted 2011-May-25, 16:55

Might be be tempted into 2♦ playing strong twos - but I am not tempted into 2 ♣ playing standard twos.
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Posted 2011-May-27, 14:29

How can you think about opening 2C and then rebid 3D? That makes no sense.
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