Dealer opens weak 2♥
Partner Bids 2NT
Dealer Bids 2♠
DIRECTOR!
The Director speaks to the insufficient bidder away from the table and decides there is no Law 25 remedy.
The IB confirms that intention was to show a strong hand with a strong suit and that should have been done by a bid of 3♠
Is there now a bid which does not silence partner?
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Insufficient Bid - UK
#2
Posted 2011-March-17, 05:40
One Short, on 2011-March-17, 03:30, said:
Dealer opens weak 2♥
Partner Bids 2NT
Dealer Bids 2♠
DIRECTOR!
The Director speaks to the insufficient bidder away from the table and decides there is no Law 25 remedy.
The IB confirms that intention was to show a strong hand with a strong suit and that should have been done by a bid of 3♠
Is there now a bid which does not silence partner?
Partner Bids 2NT
Dealer Bids 2♠
DIRECTOR!
The Director speaks to the insufficient bidder away from the table and decides there is no Law 25 remedy.
The IB confirms that intention was to show a strong hand with a strong suit and that should have been done by a bid of 3♠
Is there now a bid which does not silence partner?
If the TD believes that 2♠ means "good hand good suit" and so does 3♠ then 3♠ does not silence partner as it has "the same meaning or a more precise meaning". Law 27B1b.
#3
Posted 2011-March-17, 09:18
Surely neither 2♠ nor 3♠ is artificial? In that case 3♠ does not silence partner whatever the strength shown [Law 27B1A].
David Stevenson
Merseyside England UK
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Merseyside England UK
EBL TD
Currently at home
Visiting IBLF from time to time
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#4
Posted 2011-March-17, 09:38
bluejak, on 2011-March-17, 09:18, said:
Surely neither 2♠ nor 3♠ is artificial? In that case 3♠ does not silence partner whatever the strength shown [Law 27B1A].
I think you've misinterpreted the auction. I believe dealer and partner are on the same side (allegedly) and 2NT is Ogust or some such relay. So 3♠ is artificial.
#5
Posted 2011-March-20, 20:53
You are right.
I do much prefer diagrams.
I do much prefer diagrams.
David Stevenson
Merseyside England UK
EBL TD
Currently at home
Visiting IBLF from time to time
<webjak666@gmail.com>
Merseyside England UK
EBL TD
Currently at home
Visiting IBLF from time to time
<webjak666@gmail.com>
#6
Posted 2011-March-20, 23:54
campboy, on 2011-March-17, 05:40, said:
If the TD believes that 2♠ means "good hand good suit" and so does 3♠ then 3♠ does not silence partner as it has "the same meaning or a more precise meaning". Law 27B1b.
I agree. If 2nt-2♥(transfer) has the same or more precise meaning as 2nt-3♥(transfer) I don't see why 2♥-2nt-2♠(good-good) and 2♥-2nt-3♠(good-good) can't have the same meaning in the same way.
#7
Posted 2011-March-21, 08:50
It sounds as if the player just had the fleeting idea that 2♠ was sufficient. This case seems simple enough.
Of course, all cases will be simple in the next version of the Laws, which will no doubt read
The version after that will probably allow the auction to proceed in either direction, and in any order.
Of course, all cases will be simple in the next version of the Laws, which will no doubt read
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Any sufficient bid is more precise in meaning than any insufficient bid, because the meaning of all insufficient bids is "no agreement, as it is illegal". Therefore all sufficient bids, if not accepted, can be replaced by any legal call without penalty.
The version after that will probably allow the auction to proceed in either direction, and in any order.
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones -- Albert Einstein
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