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#1 User is offline   OgrO 

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Posted 2010-October-25, 04:02


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Posted 2010-October-25, 04:06

Pass. Put one of the H hons in with the S and I bid 1S
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Posted 2010-October-25, 04:44

1♠
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2010-October-25, 04:51

1♠. We should have a fit, and I have a useful hand for partner.
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Posted 2010-October-25, 06:05

1♠. Nothing to be ashamed of there.
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Posted 2010-October-25, 10:13

1♠. Support with support.
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Posted 2010-October-25, 10:24

not pass :)
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Posted 2010-October-25, 11:06

1♠ for me
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Posted 2010-October-25, 11:18

1 spade for me too. Hand looks very useful to P.
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Posted 2010-October-25, 12:32

Hi Denis, glad to see you have joined the forum :).

I'll go against the majority of bidders so far : I'd pass this.
No strong feelings about this, but :
- my Heart holding is bad (stiff honors) ;
- my ♦J looks worthless ;
- my overall strength/distribution relative to "our suits" (blacks) is poor ;
- my Spades are awful ;
- the spade fit is not guaranteed (3424, 3415 possible by CHO) ;

If opener rebids 2♥, I'll balance w/ 2♠. If he bids 1N or 2m, I'll be happy to defend.
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Posted 2010-October-25, 13:04

While the spade fit is not guaranteed there is only one way (most of the time) to find out if we have a fit and that is to bid now.

I am not that pessimistic about my heart honours they are in one of the suits that partner suggested that I bid. I think it is reasonably likely that partner has the ace and if not the jack which might be able to be made use of.
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Posted 2010-October-25, 13:18

If you're worried about the lack of a spade fit, why do you want to bid
pass 2♥ pass pass
2♠
instead of
1♠ 2♥ pass pass
pass

... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-October-25, 14:19

I'd rather bid 2♠ than pass, but 1♠ is the correct bid of course.
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Posted 2010-October-25, 14:38

View Postgnasher, on 2010-October-25, 13:18, said:

If you're worried about the lack of a spade fit, why do you want to bid
pass 2♥ pass pass
2♠
instead of
1♠ 2♥ pass pass
pass



If LHO bids 2♥, I'll assume that oppos have 8 Hearts, hence pard is very likely to hold 4315 or 4324. I wan't to be in 2♠ now. OTOH if they don't have a Heart fit, I'd rather defend the hand.
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Posted 2010-October-25, 19:27

I offer one top H plus maybe a C-ruff as tricks. I'm not encouraging partner on this.
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Posted 2010-October-26, 04:17

View Postdellache, on 2010-October-25, 14:38, said:

If LHO bids 2♥, I'll assume that oppos have 8 Hearts, hence pard is very likely to hold 4315 or 4324. I wan't to be in 2♠ now. OTOH if they don't have a Heart fit, I'd rather defend the hand.

But you are still guessing and relying on the opponents to bid sensibly.

1♠ doesn't have these drawbacks. Partner will always bid 2♠ with four, and pass with three.
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Posted 2010-October-26, 05:04

View PostArtK78, on 2010-October-25, 04:51, said:

1♠. We should have a fit, and I have a useful hand for partner.


Where is it Art?
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Posted 2010-October-26, 05:35

Clear 1S with the optimistic hope his S are considerably better than mine. This is not such a bad hand for S really and if we do not compete now, when?
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Posted 2010-October-26, 07:41

1S.

But we are sticking fairly consequent to shape requirements
for a T/O, so I can be pretty sure to have a fit in spade,
not 100% sure, but fairly sure.


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Posted 2010-October-26, 08:38

View PostArtK78, on 2010-October-25, 04:51, said:

1♠. We should have a fit, and I have a useful hand for partner.


View Postthe hog, on 2010-October-26, 05:04, said:

Where is it Art?

The fit is in spades.

As for the useful hand, I am staring at it.
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