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Raise Has partner done enough for you to raise?

#21 User is offline   han 

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Posted 2010-October-26, 00:14

What mikeh and awm said.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2010-October-26, 03:09

View Postmikeh, on 2010-October-25, 21:06, said:

While all the bidders are looking at their hand and, in essence, arguing that they have unexpected values, I am more accustomed to players who listen to the opps make a single raise and a, presumably, preemptive re-raise and reason that their partner has more than zero hcp.

Thus, while partner is not an idiot, and thus doesn't expect to go down more than 1 in 4 if he catches an unsuitable dummy, I don't think he has to have 10 tricks or even 9 sure tricks in his hand. he is entitled to play us for a modicum of strength, and he can legitimately hope for more than a stiff club (altho it is the 10).

I expect to make 4. I won't be surprised if we make 5, but I would consider it to be against the odds, and so would let him play in the partscore.

I also think that raising smacks of hanging partner.....if he is, as I hope, a good player who has taken a calculated risk in order to not sell out to -140, I would hate to turn his good call into a minus and boot the 7 imps he'd won for us (and maybe losing an additional couple when they double, which they are far more apt to do at game than at a partscore). That wouldn't bother me if I felt 11 tricks were 40% or better, but I don't.

Now, if partner is not the type of player I assume: especially if he is the type who needs ALL his values to bid, I'd raise...but I don't play with that type.


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Posted 2010-October-26, 03:17

View Posthan, on 2010-October-26, 00:14, said:

What mikeh and awm said.

What about what I said? :(
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Posted 2010-October-26, 08:36

I usually skip your posts.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2010-October-26, 13:03

View Postmikeh, on 2010-October-25, 21:06, said:

While all the bidders are looking at their hand and, in essence, arguing that they have unexpected values, I am more accustomed to players who listen to the opps make a single raise and a, presumably, preemptive re-raise and reason that their partner has more than zero hcp.

Thus, while partner is not an idiot, and thus doesn't expect to go down more than 1 in 4 if he catches an unsuitable dummy, I don't think he has to have 10 tricks or even 9 sure tricks in his hand. he is entitled to play us for a modicum of strength, and he can legitimately hope for more than a stiff club (altho it is the 10).

I expect to make 4. I won't be surprised if we make 5, but I would consider it to be against the odds, and so would let him play in the partscore.

I also think that raising smacks of hanging partner.....if he is, as I hope, a good player who has taken a calculated risk in order to not sell out to -140, I would hate to turn his good call into a minus and boot the 7 imps he'd won for us (and maybe losing an additional couple when they double, which they are far more apt to do at game than at a partscore). That wouldn't bother me if I felt 11 tricks were 40% or better, but I don't.

Now, if partner is not the type of player I assume: especially if he is the type who needs ALL his values to bid, I'd raise...but I don't play with that type.

Well said. Raising on this hand is taking a huge position.
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-26, 16:25

I think mikeh sums it up very nicely.

1-2-3 is not a frightening sequence and partner can sensibly play us for something, which is what we have but not more. There will typically be a hole in the club suit and having only a singleton is a liability since we risk 4-1 offside and getting whacked in 5.

We could raise if partner's aggression factor is <= 3 or something like that.
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Posted 2010-October-26, 19:10

Thanks for the opinions.

Partner's hand was:



Should partner have done more?

There seem to be quite a lot of losers for a vulnerable leap to 5 but maybe that is too pessimistic.

I did not annotate it earlier but I think the 3 raise on the actual table auction was intended as invitational.
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Posted 2010-October-26, 19:23

At this vulnerability, I would just bid 5 initially. Sure we could miss (grand) slam if partner has the right cards, but with 12 cards in minors, I don't expect we have all the room to constructively bid to slam anyway.
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-26, 20:39

no partner cannot hv a 3 loser hand and a void in spades and bid like this.
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Posted 2010-October-27, 07:09

View PostCascade, on 2010-October-26, 19:10, said:

Thanks for the opinions.

Partner's hand was:



Should partner have done more?

There seem to be quite a lot of losers for a vulnerable leap to 5 but maybe that is too pessimistic.

I did not annotate it earlier but I think the 3 raise on the actual table auction was intended as invitational.

5 first time.
What was his thinking? That the hand was too good for an immediate 5 and therefore it was better to bid 2 then 4 after some nonscary bidding by the opps? Or?
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Posted 2010-October-27, 09:04

One thing is sure, my partner has 4 losers and not 3, because with 10 he had bet 5

1/ Do I cover ONE or TWO loosers ?
more than one but not 2

2/ how many total tricks on the board?
only 18 and if it is 19 (my partner has 9 clubs) it is not good enough

3/ Do I expect the OPP will bid 5 at the other table?
not often

DO I BID?
I don't bid
If my partner has - 87 KJ7 AKQJ9652
he will probably win but wouldn't you bid 5 on 1 with such a hand?


As the hand really was, I bid also 5 because I have only 3 loosers, I don't agree 4
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Posted 2010-October-28, 18:46

View Postpooltuna, on 2010-October-25, 11:10, said:

turn the Q->Q and I might raise but I only have 1 potential trick and need 2

Bingo. the Q is at least potentially useful, the Q is waste paper.
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Posted 2010-October-29, 05:54

what do you want Q for?, you have the long diamonds to discard partner's hearts, if the diamonds don't work 5 won't be a good spot anyway. Q will only be useful if partner has the A and they don't lead a spade but a heart.
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