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The_Hog, on Sep 29 2010, 05:59 AM, said:
North is much too good to pass. In my opinion the pass is a very poor call.
Wow I agree with Hog! That's 1 discussion less.
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Posted 2010-September-29, 00:39
Wow I agree with Hog! That's 1 discussion less.
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Posted 2010-September-29, 10:00
Any of the "I hate passers" saying what they would do, and on the next round after likely continuations?
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Posted 2010-September-29, 10:07
jdonn, on Sep 29 2010, 09:00 AM, said:
Any of the "I hate passers" saying what they would do, and on the next round after likely continuations?
3♣, then over 3X I'd bid 4♦, which hopefully shows a slam interested hand with 3 card ♦ support. With 4 card ♦ support I would have started with 3♥, I think, and then bid 4♦.
Partner might not play us for a balanced hand and might be expecting longer clubs, but we weren't stopping short of small slam on this auction anyway (if partner has a light opener then hopefully he/she has long diamonds and shape, so 6♦ is easy)
I once yelled at my partner for discarding the 'wrong' card when he was subjected to a squeeze that I allowed by giving the wrong count with too high a card. Now he's allowed to pitch aces when the opponents have the king in the dummy. At trick 2. When he could have followed suit. And blame me.
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Posted 2010-September-29, 10:34
jdonn, on Sep 29 2010, 04:00 PM, said:
Any of the "I hate passers" saying what they would do, and on the next round after likely continuations?
finally someone that makes sense, passing might not be great, but given the poor alternatives you might as well risk it.
Rduran if I understand it correctly you claim that pass to hear double gives you enough confidence to reach slam, that sounds like bidding 1NT-2NT with quantitative when partner will answer keycards to 4NT.
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Posted 2010-September-29, 10:37
jdonn, on Sep 29 2010, 04:00 PM, said:
Any of the "I hate passers" saying what they would do, and on the next round after likely continuations?
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3C 3D(5 or more D, not suitable for 3NT)
3H(two way cuebid, either C one suiter, or D fit, doubts in 3NT) 3S(S value)
4D(D fit and slam interest, without slam interest, responder can bid 5D) 4H(RKC, a little bit pushy, since partner denies a lot of H value, it looks not bad)
4N(3-0) 5C(Q?)
6C(CK and DQ) 7D.
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Posted 2010-September-29, 11:55
jdonn, on Sep 29 2010, 11:00 AM, said:
Any of the "I hate passers" saying what they would do, and on the next round after likely continuations?
they are just seeking to avoid retribution for the many times they have failed to protect their partners
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Posted 2010-September-30, 08:02
Doesn't partner leave it in 3♣, expecting the hand to be more like
Scoring: MP
suppose this is the actual hand and the bidding goes
(P)-1♦-(2♥)-P
(P)-Dbl-(P)-3♣
suppose this is the actual hand and the bidding goes
(P)-1♦-(2♥)-P
(P)-Dbl-(P)-3♣
Or would this North have taken action over 2♥? Even if my example hands don't quite demonstrate my point, isn't 3♣ non-forcing?
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Posted 2010-September-30, 08:19
The 3C bidders want to bid it directly over 2H, not after passing first.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 08:41
Bbradley62, on Sep 30 2010, 10:02 AM, said:
suppose this is the actual hand....
Doesn't partner leave it in 3♣, expecting the hand to be more like.....
Or would this North have taken action over 2♥? Even if my example hands don't quite demonstrate my point, isn't 3♣ non-forcing?
Doesn't partner leave it in 3♣, expecting the hand to be more like.....
Or would this North have taken action over 2♥? Even if my example hands don't quite demonstrate my point, isn't 3♣ non-forcing?
To me, this solves the problem of whether or not you leave the reopening X in or not.
Once you decide to pass (over 2♥), you are forced to stick with that choice and leave the X in as partner will never know you have this much strength. You can't expect to bid now, and reach any reasonable contract.
Most would play 3C as showing some values (2N being a weak relay), but it would be nowhere near this strong.
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
So many experts, not enough X cards.
So many experts, not enough X cards.
suppose this is the actual hand and the bidding goes
(P)-1♦-(2♥)-P
(P)-Dbl-(P)-3♣