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#1 User is offline   kfay 

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Posted 2010-September-02, 11:13

I was kibitzing a vugraph hand today when this inexplicable auction came up. The N/S pair are world class so I assume they have their reasons or I didn't understand something.

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2NT-P-3-P
3-P-3NT-P
4-P-4-Dbl
Rdbl-P-5-All Pass


The rest of the auction aside, it's the Rdbl that concerns me. Assuming you play rdbl shows 1st round control, how do you like to play a 4 bid instead of rdbl? Does it make a difference if you play rdbl shows 1st or 2nd round control?

Whether or not North should have allowed this auction to occur in the first place, the 5 jump seems really dangerous to me. If he could be assured that S doesn't have a cue since he'd bid 4 with both the A and a heart card, then he can just bid 4 in peace.

So how do you usually play it? I gather there's pretty much zero standard. Do you think there should be?
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Posted 2010-September-02, 11:28

You don't bypass redoubling with the diamond ace just because you have a heart control.
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Posted 2010-September-02, 11:58

I assume that the 2NT bid was a standard 20-21 HCP balanced hand (the actual hand notwithstanding).

Could someone explain to me the 3NT rebid by North? That seems very odd with 6-4 in the majors and very good spades.
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Posted 2010-September-02, 12:36

It seems likely that this pair play 3S as 3+ spades thus setting a trump suit with 3NT showing only 2 spades. The last control double agreement I had was that XX showed 1st rd control, a new cue showed protected control, and pass asked for clarification as to partner's control. The main idea being to prevent Kx from being led through for a quick set. I've no idea if this is any good as i didn't put a huge amount of thought into it - was just first idea that came into head when partner asked...
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Posted 2010-September-02, 13:27

Was this a real competition, or were the guys a bit relaxed?
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Posted 2010-September-05, 19:09

JLOGIC, on Sep 2 2010, 12:28 PM, said:

You don't bypass redoubling with the diamond ace just because you have a heart control.

What about pass denying the A and higher bids showing it? Then redouble would show the A but not A, 4 would show both, etc.
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Posted 2010-September-06, 03:26

I play RDbl as showing a first round control (here the Ace obviously), passing means you're interested if partner has a first round control (for example if you'd have Kx, the Ace is way more useful than a singleton), and bidding on means you don't care what the holding in is.

Here you don't care because you have Ax and you just want to run your s. So I'd just bid 4 denying a control.
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Posted 2010-September-06, 09:05

Free, on Sep 6 2010, 04:26 AM, said:

I play RDbl as showing a first round control (here the Ace obviously), passing means you're interested if partner has a first round control (for example if you'd have Kx, the Ace is way more useful than a singleton), and bidding on means you don't care what the holding in is.

Here you don't care because you have Ax and you just want to run your s. So I'd just bid 4 denying a control.

This seems correct to me.
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