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Common problem Overcalling issue

#1 User is offline   Hanoi5 

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Posted 2010-September-02, 17:58

Today I held:

♠KJ
♥A98x
♦Qx
♣KQ9xx

Pa-Pa-1♦-???

I overcalled 2♣, but somehow toyed with the idea of doubling (terrible if partner bids spades) or bidding 1♥ (Horrible suit for a 4-card overcall).

Partner came down with:

♠Txxx
♥KQTx
♦Txx
♣Jx

I made 9 tricks but the same amount was available in hearts and it was MP's. How do experts handle this?

View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2010-September-02, 18:05

Mike Lawrence MIGHT overcall 1♥ with 1 more diamond and 1 less ♠ but even he would probably need the ♥10.

Looks like a natural tragedy. A T/O double of 1♦ sucks but happens a lot on BBO, just not from anyone any good.
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Posted 2010-September-02, 19:15

On this particular hand, I like all of:

x
1N
2♣

I don't like any of:
pass
1♥

The upsides and downsides of each call are obvious. x is a little off-beat, and I don't expect real experts ever to choose it.

Anyway, I don't agree with the thread title: I don't think this is such a common problem.
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Posted 2010-September-02, 19:48

From worst to the not quite so bad:

1♥ is bizarre. A98x? LOL!

I cannot stomach a double. It randomizes the auction and partner never bids hearts. Sometimes we end up OK; most of the time we do not.

1N is just awful. We are underweight, and have a marginal stop.

Alas, sometimes no bid fits our hand, so we have to pass.

2♣ is OK I guess. I think the extra strength makes up for marginal suit quality.

So I would grade it:

2♣ - 10
Pass - 8
1N - 3
Dbl - 3
1♥ - 1

This is a tough problem!
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Posted 2010-September-02, 20:02

Would like to know the vulnerability.

NV I would bid 1NT, it gets the values across, and pays proper respect to the Qx in their suit.

Vulnerable this is a bit more risky, after all KJ of spades (and the Qx of diamonds!) might not be pulling their full weight. 1NT is possible anyway, but I would probably overcall 2♣.

Dislike double the most, also I don't like 1♥, and (while I don't love 2♣ with this suit) I prefer overcalling 2♣ to passing.
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Posted 2010-September-02, 21:46

Remember the other threads where 2C/1D is a cheap and effective preempt; I would have chosen it, just because it falls somewhere in between all the things said previously.
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Posted 2010-September-02, 22:05

I am fine with 2C and don't hate pass, hate all others.
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Posted 2010-September-03, 02:06

I'd much sooner play X-1S-2C to show a raptor in H+C than start overcalling these hands 1H. 2C looks absolutely fine.
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Posted 2010-September-03, 02:32

I would never bid 1♥ but I think it's not completely stupid and maybe even worth consideration. One would need to make analysis but I think in general if you have 12-15hcp and say: 2-4-3-4 overcalling 1♥ is often good and I saw such plays made by good players (Meck) even withotu super strong hearts.
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Posted 2010-September-03, 02:40

Of course this is a common hand type and problematic for standard bidding- this is why they invented raptor despite the fact that they will suffer with good NThands.

I had choosen 2 club too, no problem.
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Posted 2010-September-03, 04:16

I would bid 2C, distant second choice 1NT.
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Posted 2010-September-03, 07:52

I Play Power Dbl, so am often overcalling 1M with 4xM.
Simple overcall invites partner's suit, whereas jump overcall shows 1-suited.
Here 1H is easy common.
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Posted 2010-September-03, 09:05

1♥ for me; the majors is where it's at!
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Posted 2010-September-03, 09:22

1NT or 2♣ depending on conditions, make it slightly stronger and I would always bid 1NT.
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