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What to do after they overcall over our 1NT ?

#1 User is offline   bluecalm 

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Posted 2010-August-17, 08:37

None. Matchpoints.
♠975 ♥A76 ♦K76 ♣JT76

1NT (15-17hcp) - 2♠ - ????

Your call ?
Would it be different at imps ?

If you pass what do you do with the hand improved by J♦ ?
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Posted 2010-August-17, 08:55

I double, good thing I don't play this as pure takeout :rolleyes:.
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Posted 2010-August-17, 09:03

Hi,

#1 Pass, waiting for p to reopen with a X, and converting.
#2 Pass as well

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Posted 2010-August-17, 09:05

At any form of scoring I'd pass and wait for partner to make a takeout double. If he makes one, I take it out; if he doesn't, maybe defending 2♠ will be OK. I expect partner to double with any 2(434) except a minimum with spade wastage, but that style may not be universal).

A problem with this approach is that partner may not act with a 2(335) shape, fearing a matching 3(442).

With ♦J as well, I'd still pass at matchpoints. At IMPs, assuming 1NT is really 15-17, I'd bid 3NT.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-August-17, 09:20

Old guy answer: double=cards. I have cards and double.
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Posted 2010-August-17, 09:33

aguahombre, on Aug 17 2010, 10:20 AM, said:

Old guy answer: double=cards. I have cards and double.

Not quite so old guy answer - double is TO and I don't relish putting this hand down in 3♦ or 3♥.

I'll pass and see what pard does.
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Posted 2010-August-17, 09:38

I dble = any game try - or a hand I don't know what to do on lol (plus I play Lebensohl). Nothing is perfect but I prefer to eliminate as many guessing situations as possible. John Armstrong used to say, get your own hands sorted out first and use anything left to try and get a penalty - but there's usually not much left lol.
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Posted 2010-August-17, 11:34

gnasher, on Aug 17 2010, 10:05 AM, said:

At any form of scoring I'd pass and wait for partner to make a takeout double.  If he makes one, I take it out; if he doesn't, maybe defending 2♠ will be OK.  I expect partner to double with any 2(434) except a minimum with spade wastage, but that style may not be universal).

A problem with this approach is that partner may not act with a 2(335) shape, fearing a matching 3(442).

With ♦J as well, I'd still pass at matchpoints.  At IMPs, assuming 1NT is really 15-17, I'd bid 3NT.

Passing with the jack of diamonds also seems pretty absurd at all white MP. I guess you are gambling that people will go down in 3N and you will go plus in whatever but it seems like a big view. It probably depends on who RHO is a lot.

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Posted 2010-August-17, 12:12

JLOGIC, on Aug 17 2010, 06:34 PM, said:

Passing with the jack of diamonds also seems pretty absurd at all white MP. I guess you are gambling that people will go down in 3N and you will go plus in whatever but it seems like a big view. It probably depends on who RHO is a lot.

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All in all, 3NT seems more likely to go down than to make. That would make pass a good bet rather than a gamble.
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Posted 2010-August-17, 12:49

Pass in all cases
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Posted 2010-August-17, 13:45

aguahombre, on Aug 17 2010, 10:20 AM, said:

Old guy answer: double=cards. I have cards and double.

likewise :)
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Posted 2010-August-18, 02:42

aguahombre, on Aug 17 2010, 04:20 PM, said:

Old guy answer: double=cards. I have cards and double.

Old guys always have cards, 13 of them :D

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Posted 2010-August-18, 02:55

Need to double this one at matchpoints, whether it's penalty or optional.

If it's t/o I pass and pass.
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Posted 2010-August-18, 10:08

I double, good thing I don't play this as pure penalty :unsure: :)
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