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#1 User is offline   mohitz 

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  Posted 2010-August-13, 22:20

K9x Qx AQx AKJTx

Teams, we vul, they not. RHO playing 2/1 deals and the auction starts

(1) - X - (p) - 2
(3) - ?

What now?
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Posted 2010-August-13, 22:26

Pass, it's possible RHO just owned us and we're cold for 3N, but I don't see how we're getting there other than me just bidding 3N. That is way too big a position to take to me, so we are stuck with solo-ing to the 4 level or just defending (if we double partner is very likely just gonna bid 4m). I will just try to go plus against 3S, which seems way more likely than making 4m.
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Posted 2010-August-13, 22:43

surrender.
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Posted 2010-August-14, 01:16

I double again, extras without clear direction. It's possible partner will pull when I'd rather be defending but I think I'm just too good to give up. 3NT is possible too, some hands with just the king of diamonds give me play on a spade lead. Actually I'm torn but I know I won't pass though it could be right.
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Posted 2010-August-14, 03:07

Pass.

First instinct was 3NT but after thinking about it I think it won't make too often and sometimes it will be disastrous.
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Posted 2010-August-14, 03:42

Pass. Not happy about it but doubling again could be very silly.
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Posted 2010-August-14, 04:55

Pass, X and 3N could all be right. At the table I think I'd probably gamble on 3N.

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Posted 2010-August-14, 09:16

Would bid three no trump
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Posted 2010-August-14, 09:42

3NT. Ugly but I think we have to hope for the best. It's hard to see the upside of doubling again. Pass is too wimpish.
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Posted 2010-August-14, 10:40

3NT

Partner doesn't have many spades, so he might have had choice which suit to rebid. He took 2 and RHO bid 3 seeing that, so why shouldn't i hope partner has some really nice stuff in ?
Plus RHO might as well save in 4.

Good problem.
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Posted 2010-August-14, 19:03

mohitz, on Aug 13 2010, 11:20 PM, said:

K9x Qx AQx AKJTx

Teams, we vul, they not. RHO playing 2/1 deals and the auction starts

(1) - X - (p) - 2
(3) - ?

What now?

Doesn't doubling again show a hand with this much strength with 3-card support for partner's suit, and letting partner decide whether to defend or bid on?

Frankly, I'd be estatic if partner passes out 3S doubled, since K9x is a much better holding defensively than I would usually have.
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Posted 2010-August-14, 22:35

This isn't quite an answer to the question, or, if you prefer, an abstention.

I wouldn't double in the first place; I prefer 1NT to doubling with a doubleton heart.

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It is a fact that most people here write as if their opinion is a dogmatic fact.

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Posted 2010-August-14, 23:11

Yeah I want to change from double to 3NT. Still won't pass but if I'm going to act I might as well go for it.
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Posted 2010-August-17, 06:11

3 NT, if not me who? If not now, when?

Will it always work? Lol
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Posted 2010-August-17, 06:42

3NT for me. Lots of ways it could be right; lots of ways it could be wrong. But the same could be said for every other call.
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Posted 2010-August-17, 09:51

3N. Could be ugly but it won't be a bloodbath, but returning to teammates with +100 when gin for 3N when we got jobbed out of our cold game doesn't seem very enjoyable either.

We don't need a whole lot here, and its negative thinking to assume partner has a yarb across.
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Posted 2010-August-17, 10:57

I'm a 3N bidder....I was before I read the comments and I read nothing that changed my mind.

There is one minor issue that no-one has yet touched on....maybe because it is a remote possibility. I'd be a little worried that RHO will win the first spade and, seeing something like KJxxx in diamonds, decide that he needs to beat us quickly and then switches to AK and a 3rd heart....running 5 or 6 hearts and going plus 300.

Oh well, c'est la vie....a good partner will hold Jxx in hearts, or a good opp will hold AKJ tight :rolleyes:

BTW, isn't it common to play 3 here as semi-preemptive? If so, surely that increases the chances that 3N is right?
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Posted 2010-August-17, 11:20

This was the full hand. 3N can make.

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Posted 2010-August-17, 11:25

I'm willing to bet that a significant majority of good players would have bid 2 as North, not 2. Not sure how that changes things, if at all.....would tend to make me more reluctant to bid 3N, tho, so on the actual hand, I'd be happy he bid 2 :rolleyes: .
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Posted 2010-August-17, 11:30

3N is a joke contract and will go down on a normal line of play (cashing the AK of clubs).
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