[aguahombre]

Cascade, on Aug 3 2010, 10:45 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Aug 4 2010, 03:24 AM, said:

Maybe it is just semantics, but I thought serious 3N was used when obligatory cues were the alternative.

Why can't it be used anytime range is an issue or just to clarify the range in context.

I guess because responder is limited, and Opener didn't open 2C. So we might just have slam, and any bid other than 4 of the Major suggests extras and interest in slam ----as opposed to the below:

My understanding of Serious 3NT is when we have a game forcing situation and a major suit fit, established at the 3-level, usually. In these situations, a cue at the 4-level is just in case the other guy has extras for his previous bidding (a courtesy cue)---and the 3NT bid, instead, shows real extras

That is my understanding, and 3NT after a L.R. can ask for shortness rather than being random serious. Whatever others like is fine for them (you), but that makes sense to me.

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Mbodell, on Aug 2 2010, 05:02 PM, said:

If you don't have agreements in place isn't it possible that South is showing second round control of clubs as well as first round control of diamonds and hearts by bidding 5♥ over the attempted sign-off in 4♠. Since North has second round in both reds and an extra trump and his South partner was willing to ignore the attempted signoff, then I can see getting excited. If South denies second round club control (either by skipping it on the first round of cuing [my preferred agreement] or by skipping it the second time) then obviously it is all North's fault. How would folks bid the South hand if the 2 of clubs was the 3 of spades?

With a singleton club, 4C would be cue'd before 4D?

Regarding blame, since North did not make a 4H cue, he either

1. does not have the king of hearts, in which case he definitely has the A/K clubs for his limit raise, or,

2. has the king of hearts and not 1/2 control of clubs.

In both the above cases, with the south hand, it is unwise to make a move over 4S. Even if South decides to move over 4S, 4NT ask by south would resolve which of the above is true, and therefore I assign most of the blame to south.