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All Blacks Bledisloe Cup All Blacks 49 Australia 28

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Posted 2010-August-01, 20:26

To celebrate they dealt me:

Scoring: MP


So how do you handle this?

Side question: Are you allowed to open 1 or 1 on 7HCP where you play?
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Posted 2010-August-01, 20:30

We're allowed to do what we want when we want here in America; we just call it a psych & get on with it.

As for what to do, I probably pass first chair & wait for developments. I'll make up for it by bidding more later.
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Posted 2010-August-01, 20:35

I don't think it is a psyche if everytime you hold this hand (and similar hands) you would open at the one-level. It then is part of your implicit agreements.
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Posted 2010-August-01, 21:09

Cascade, on Aug 1 2010, 07:35 PM, said:

I don't think it is a psyche if everytime you hold this hand (and similar hands) you would open at the one-level. It then is part of your implicit agreements.

Luckily, I have no partnership agreements, either implicit or explicit, about how to handle 6-7 hands with less than 8 HCP. They just don't seem to come up that often.
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Posted 2010-August-02, 02:24

CSGibson, on Aug 1 2010, 09:30 PM, said:

We're allowed to do what we want when we want here in America; we just call it a psych & get on with it.

It is not a psych if you decide to open this hand; well, unless you open 1D or 1H.
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Posted 2010-August-02, 02:46

1 then clubs for me.
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Posted 2010-August-02, 02:53

6C
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Posted 2010-August-02, 03:33

I would pass and cue or bid some ridiculous nr. of NT later.
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Posted 2010-August-02, 05:20

Pfff I can open 2 weak with 55+-m, but I don't like it.
I am allowed to open 1X, even with 5HCP (rule of 18: 6 + 7 + 7HCP = 20 >= 18).
Pass probably works out best.
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Posted 2010-August-02, 08:00

I'm opening 1C ... planning on bidding Sp twice whether interference or not.
This hand becomes huge with a fit or worth a save if opps have a Ht game.
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Posted 2010-August-02, 11:06

whereagles, on Aug 2 2010, 04:33 AM, said:

I would pass and cue or bid some ridiculous nr. of NT later.

Yup, ideal when your partner jumps in a red suit ... NOT

I'm probably opening a weak 2S, then bid clubs (at the 5 level if necessary). This hand is not going to die at low level and I'll get my chance to bid. I'll establish the sort of amount of defence I have immediately, and the amount of offence by bidding a lot.
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Posted 2010-August-02, 11:25

BTW I just understood the (bridge part of) the thread title.
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Posted 2010-August-02, 11:27

I would laugh at any director or NBO that disallowed a natural 1 opening.
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Posted 2010-August-02, 12:15

Phil, on Aug 3 2010, 05:27 AM, said:

I would laugh at any director or NBO that disallowed a natural 1 opening.

I think that is unfair on the director. He did not make the rules.

The ACBL is one jurisdiction where it seems to me that you cannot open this hand at the one level unless it is an unexpected deviation from your system. "unexpected" in the sense that partner does not expect you to open this hand at the one level not "unexpected" in the sense that this hand does not come up very often.

The ACBL's rule is a rigid

ACBL GCC (under disallowed) said:

Opening one bids which by partnership agreement could show fewer than 8 HCP. (Not applicable to a psych.)


It is the regulators that should be laughed at not the Tournament Director IMHO. The Tournament Director is "bound by the announced regulation".
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Posted 2010-August-02, 20:10

Why do people want to open 1C? It is a complete misdescription. Admittedly it's hard to describe 6-7 with a lot of offense.

Still my best bet would be to start with 3C showing 6 or 7 clubs and a good offensive hand with little defense. My next bid of 4S will surely sound like a 5-7 hand, still with good offense and little defense (and high cards). I could be weaker in HCP for this, but I think it's about as good of a description as I can offer, and it also preempts the opponents a bit.
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Posted 2010-August-02, 20:39

CSGibson, on Aug 1 2010, 10:09 PM, said:

Cascade, on Aug 1 2010, 07:35 PM, said:

I don't think it is a psyche if everytime you hold this hand (and similar hands) you would open at the one-level. It then is part of your implicit agreements.

Luckily, I have no partnership agreements, either implicit or explicit, about how to handle 6-7 hands with less than 8 HCP. They just don't seem to come up that often.

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Posted 2010-August-02, 22:56

As every bid is a misdescription, even if you play 2 suited openings, I would make a rare pass with a 2 suited hand and bid very strongly afterward.
I realise this is not good bridge, to let the opps have first bite at the cherry, and certainly if I didn't have the S suit, I would open something else. However as someone said, 7-6 hands don't come up that often.
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Posted 2010-August-02, 23:47

Pass, with the intention of bidding a lot on the subsequent rounds. However, given that it's a team game with a NZ vs. Oz rivalry (I am guessing that's what the title means), it's really comes down to what you think your opps might do at the other table, the system we are playing, etc...
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Posted 2010-August-03, 01:01

I believe the ACBL reg is that you may not _agree_ to open this hand, not that you may not open it. If you pick up a bunch of 76 hands with 7HCP in one session, you could fall afoul of an implicit agreement ruling if the same director gets called to your table a lot. Of course he might also decide the law that allows the ACBL or any other organization to control agreements on hands of a King or more below average strength may not apply in this case.

Regardless, I would open 3C and expect to bid again the next round. There will be a next round, right?
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Posted 2010-August-03, 01:43

OldPalooka, on Aug 3 2010, 07:01 PM, said:

I believe the ACBL reg is that you may not _agree_ to open this hand, not that you may not open it. If you pick up a bunch of 76 hands with 7HCP in one session, you could fall afoul of an implicit agreement ruling if the same director gets called to your table a lot. Of course he might also decide the law that allows the ACBL or any other organization to control agreements on hands of a King or more below average strength may not apply in this case.

Regardless, I would open 3C and expect to bid again the next round. There will be a next round, right?

Sure but agreements can be explicit or implicit.

If you would always open a hand like this at the one level then you may well have an implicit agreement.
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dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon

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