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We play that 1M - 4M is very wide range (could be 13hcp with 2-3-4-4 etc.). Precision.
Nobody vul, imps:
♠5 ♥QJ983 ♦AQ4 ♣AQ76
1♥ - pass - 4♥ - 4♠
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Your options are :
pass = nothing special
dbl = let's defed or
5♥ = obviously to play
Your choice ?
Precision 1M - 4M in trouble
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Posted 2010-July-24, 17:08
Pass. I'm a bit better than partner would expect for both offense and defense, but if partner has a 3 count with 5 hearts I don't want to double and may want to sac. If partner has a flat 10 count I likely want to defend doubled. If only one of partner or I knew which he had... 
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Posted 2010-July-24, 17:32
I have no clue but I think double is right.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 18:22
You really need to change your methods so that double is convertible or whatever you want to call it. Your combined assets are just not well enough defined to play double simply to increase the scoring value of the contract.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 18:29
Change your agreements.
Perhaps you could start watching some top strong club pairs on Vugraph to see if they do anything different (for example, see if any of them play double by opener as showing interest in taking the push to the 5 level).
Perhaps you could start watching some top strong club pairs on Vugraph to see if they do anything different (for example, see if any of them play double by opener as showing interest in taking the push to the 5 level).
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 18:45
Haha I guess it's a joke
Unfortunately it's too rare a situation and Meckwell hasn't been there on vugraph so I don't know what's proper agreement.
Thanks guys for pointing this out
Unfortunately it's too rare a situation and Meckwell hasn't been there on vugraph so I don't know what's proper agreement.
Thanks guys for pointing this out
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Posted 2010-July-24, 19:39
Sounds like a poor agreement to me, in that the 4M bid is too wide ranging. It is not too hard to construct hands where slam can make with a 13hcp with 2-3-4-4 etc opposite a Precision opening.
With the hand in the op, I would double.
With the hand in the op, I would double.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 21:35
I think a lot of people use X as "Bid 5♥ with a preemptive hand but let it sit with defense." Partner is always welcome to come back in with a pass later.
Within that context I would still pass and be content to sit for partner's X later. 4S and 5H could both be down if partner has, say, Axxxx in hearts and out.
As the agreements are, you have no choice but to pass :/
Within that context I would still pass and be content to sit for partner's X later. 4S and 5H could both be down if partner has, say, Axxxx in hearts and out.
As the agreements are, you have no choice but to pass :/
I once yelled at my partner for discarding the 'wrong' card when he was subjected to a squeeze that I allowed by giving the wrong count with too high a card. Now he's allowed to pitch aces when the opponents have the king in the dummy. At trick 2. When he could have followed suit. And blame me.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 22:53
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Sounds like a poor agreement to me, in that the 4M bid is too wide ranging. It is not too hard to construct hands where slam can make with a 13hcp with 2-3-4-4 etc opposite a Precision opening.
The idea is to make them guess too. I've made tons of imps/mp's already thanks to opponents competing with crap when 4M bidder had balanced 13. I don't care much about thin slams.
Anyway, assuming I adopt better agreement pointed by some here that double means extras/readiness to compete, do you double here or pass ?
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Posted 2010-July-24, 23:15
"I don't care much about thin slams."
Akxxxx
Axxx
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Qxxx
KQJx
Axx
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Thin slam? Lol. Please don't tell me you would move after 1S 4S.
Akxxxx
Axxx
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Qxxx
KQJx
Axx
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Thin slam? Lol. Please don't tell me you would move after 1S 4S.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 23:42
Well, probably not as 4card support is huge in case partner is 5-5 or 6-4 but with:
Qxx Kx AJxx QJxx
I am bidding 4♠.
Qxx Kx AJxx QJxx
I am bidding 4♠.
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Posted 2010-July-25, 00:59
5♥ for me but not sure if bidding to make or to save
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Posted 2010-July-25, 01:04
Pass wtp.
Partner has told you that slam is not a possibilety, and that she has a very good idée about what to do if the opponents compete. No reason to overrule with an ordinary maximum hand.
Partner has told you that slam is not a possibilety, and that she has a very good idée about what to do if the opponents compete. No reason to overrule with an ordinary maximum hand.
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Posted 2010-July-25, 02:06
I would rather play
pass = nothing special
x = lets play 5H unless you want to defend
5H = i want to play 5H even if you want to defend
pass = nothing special
x = lets play 5H unless you want to defend
5H = i want to play 5H even if you want to defend
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Posted 2010-July-25, 02:22
It's not like you have to worry about the maximum balanced raise to 4 here anyway, partner will double when 4♠ comes back to him to show that.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2010-July-25, 03:14
OleBerg, on Jul 25 2010, 02:04 AM, said:
Pass wtp.
Partner has told you that slam is not a possibilety, and that she has a very good idée about what to do if the opponents compete. No reason to overrule with an ordinary maximum hand.
Partner has told you that slam is not a possibilety, and that she has a very good idée about what to do if the opponents compete. No reason to overrule with an ordinary maximum hand.
He's not allowed to hold xx, AKx, Kxxx, Kxxx or xxx, AKxxxx, xxx, K ?
Slam is still possible, but you have no clue whether you should be bidding, doubling or passing, and neither on many hands does partner. You have a problem created by your system, you're probably best to double although this can go horribly wrong if partner is weak. Provided partner has some spades, he'll work out that this is most likely to be a good hand rather than a spade stack.
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Posted 2010-July-25, 03:42
pass wtp. double=I want to defend doesnt make sense BTW.
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Posted 2010-July-25, 03:46
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pass wtp. double=I want to defend doesnt make sense BTW.
Ok, I get it. So what's some example hands you would double with if the hand from OP doesn't qualify ?
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You have a problem created by your system
Obviously I have a problem, this is why I am posting seeking for advice.
I don't get why people are pointing this out all the time I mention those 1M - 4M auctions. Obviously we will have some problems, obviously they will have hard time too. Obviously I think our problems are smaller than theirs. Got it ?
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Posted 2010-July-25, 04:02
gwnn, on Jul 25 2010, 04:42 AM, said:
pass wtp. double=I want to defend doesnt make sense BTW.
Opposite a lot of nondescript hands where partner will pass if you do, you do want to defend doubled.
You really expect partner to bid or double on xx, Axxxx, Jxx, Jxx for example or xx, Axxxx, Kx, xxxx. If you think partner doesn't bid 4H on this, there are plenty of other possibilities.