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The auction was:
(1S) 2H (P) 2S
(3D*) 3H (3S) 4H
(4S) P (P) X
AP
*This pair play Good/Bad 2NT. 2NT here would show an undisclosed strong 2 suiter.
Any blame to assign?
Wes
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Posted 2010-July-18, 22:32
Assign the blame:
The auction was:
(1S) 2H (P) 2S
(3D*) 3H (3S) 4H
(4S) P (P) X
AP
*This pair play Good/Bad 2NT. 2NT here would show an undisclosed strong 2 suiter.
Any blame to assign?
Wes
The auction was:
(1S) 2H (P) 2S
(3D*) 3H (3S) 4H
(4S) P (P) X
AP
*This pair play Good/Bad 2NT. 2NT here would show an undisclosed strong 2 suiter.
Any blame to assign?
Wes
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Posted 2010-July-18, 22:46
I would never double 4S, but I also wouldn't save so not much blame really, I'm sure I'd go -620.
If I were to construct an auction where E-W save it would be east starting with a system bid showing a 4 card LR+ and west then deciding to save unilaterally given his lack of defense but it's a very hard hand.
If I were to construct an auction where E-W save it would be east starting with a system bid showing a 4 card LR+ and west then deciding to save unilaterally given his lack of defense but it's a very hard hand.
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Posted 2010-July-18, 22:48
I will note that if west had bid 4H over 3D, NS might pass it out, but they might not.
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Posted 2010-July-19, 03:33
also note that on perfect derfense declarer has a guess to make. If he decides to play trumps to entry dummy insted of diamonds he will face a ♦A underlead and another guess.
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Posted 2010-July-19, 05:56
Agree with Justin that east should just sell to 4♠. ♠Kx doesn't look very good if declarer somehow can get to dummy, and it should not be a big surprise to find partner with ♥AKQxxx and see declarer ruff at trick 1 as on the actual layout.
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Posted 2010-July-19, 07:21
Curiously, one of the par contracts is 4NTx-1 by East. (5♥ is also one down on careful play.)
With the East hand, I think you should bid 4♥ on the first round. The 2♠ bid only gains if our limit is 3♥, and either we're allowed to play there or they can't make 3♠. Neither of these seems that likely. In favour of a direct 4♥ is that it makes it harder for them to judge what to do, especially as I'd make the same bid with two fewer aces and a singleton spade.
With the East hand, I think you should bid 4♥ on the first round. The 2♠ bid only gains if our limit is 3♥, and either we're allowed to play there or they can't make 3♠. Neither of these seems that likely. In favour of a direct 4♥ is that it makes it harder for them to judge what to do, especially as I'd make the same bid with two fewer aces and a singleton spade.
This post has been edited by gnasher: 2010-July-19, 07:23
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-July-19, 15:41
Agree that double of 4♠ by East is wishful thinking.
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Posted 2010-July-19, 15:57
gnasher, on Jul 19 2010, 08:21 AM, said:
Curiously, one of the par contracts is 4NTx-1 by East. (5♥ is also one down on careful play.)
With the East hand, I think you should bid 4♥ on the first round. The 2♠ bid only gains if our limit is 3♥, and either we're allowed to play there or they can't make 3♠. Neither of these seems that likely. In favour of a direct 4♥ is that it makes it harder for them to judge what to do, especially as I'd make the same bid with two fewer aces and a singleton spade.
With the East hand, I think you should bid 4♥ on the first round. The 2♠ bid only gains if our limit is 3♥, and either we're allowed to play there or they can't make 3♠. Neither of these seems that likely. In favour of a direct 4♥ is that it makes it harder for them to judge what to do, especially as I'd make the same bid with two fewer aces and a singleton spade.
Yeah if you do this then west will bid 5H over 4S I think.
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Posted 2010-July-19, 16:45
WesleyC, on Jul 19 2010, 04:32 PM, said:
2NT here would show an undisclosed strong 2 suiter.
Did 3♦ show a one suiter?
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Posted 2010-July-19, 16:48
JLOGIC, on Jul 19 2010, 04:48 PM, said:
I will note that if west had bid 4H over 3D, NS might pass it out, but they might not.
4♥ over 3♦ looks clear.
Wayne Burrows
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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Posted 2010-July-19, 17:05
JLOGIC, on Jul 19 2010, 10:57 PM, said:
Yeah if you do this then west will bid 5H over 4S I think.
As East, holding two aces, I wouldn't especially want him to do that. But I'd accept the IMPs anyway.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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